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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins&nbsp;<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>. An outline can be found&nbsp;<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</em></p>



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<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)">“And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent” (John 17:3).</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Is God all-loving?</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many people read the verse above and question: How can God be perfectly loving? If knowing God is required for eternal life, why has God not made himself more evident?  Why does God hide himself? Indeed, if all it takes to save us is for us to know God, it would be easy to save the world. All God would have to do is show up. After all, if God revealed himself to me distinctly and unmistakably, I would believe. I would acknowledge that he is God. I would even acknowledge that he was sovereign. An all-powerful God could make himself known if he wanted to. Why would God send so many to eternal damnation if all he had to do is show up and say, “I am here”? And if he does not want to make himself known in this way, how can he be all-loving?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so these kinds of questions make us question the existence of a perfectly-loving God. For although it is within his compacity, he has not revealed himself in a manner we believe would be appropriate. We reason; a God of love would make his existence unquestionable. Therefore, either God is not perfectly-loving or God does not exist.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Square peg into a round hole</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Questions like these punch us in the gut, searing their way to our very heart and soul. It grinds against our concepts of love, goodness, justice, and beauty. There is a struggle to reconcile these inner longings for love with what we are told about the God of the Bible. We have a tough time wrapping our brain around it. And it seems that these things are incompatible. Is there any way to reconcile these things?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Have you ever watched a child sort shapes with differently shaped pegs that are associated with shaped holes? A child will spend a lot of time and effort trying to get a square peg into a round hole. Sometimes, the child will quit in frustration because they deem it impossible. We are like this child. Sometimes, when we can’t figure out how to get the puzzle to come together.  We are determined to get a square peg into the circle shaped hole. We are so focused and resolute to accomplish this that we fail to see our error and often quit in frustration. And yet, when we step back and see things from a proper perspective, the puzzle easily falls into place. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Faulty Foundation</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sometimes, our questions can lead us down the wrong path. There are many things in life where if your foundation is faulty, it cascades, and everything you build on it becomes skewed. Often, this happens when we question God. An honest investigation into many questions atheists or skeptics have will find that their beliefs are based on faulty presumptions and that their arguments topple as soon as the cracks in their foundation are exposed. They base their criteria of evidence for God on their own imaginations of what they think God would be like. They challenge a god in their own image. They have a closed view of what god, if he exists, would be like. And yes, I would agree a god or gods as they frame it do not exist. But God is more than the gods they have debunked. And is this not what we ought to expect. If there is a God, would he be able to be confined or boxed in by our imagination? When we approach God in this way, are we not just like a child trying to get a square peg into a round hole and giving up in frustration when there is a much wider picture?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>What does it mean to know God?</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the things implied by the questions people have about the hiddenness of God is the idea that all we need to have eternal life is to know that God exists. The proposal that God ought to make his existence absolutely clear and evident to all humanity, through miracles or by simply saying&nbsp;“Hi” or by some other means, presumes that having knowledge or acknowledging the existence of God is enough to save us. But is this true? Is believing God exists all it takes? Some might clarify and say &#8211; Well, not just believing; we must also acknowledge God’s authority over us. Again, is this true? Or are we trying to get a square peg into a round hole? Are we being like the person who asks foolish questions of a friend because of faulty presumptions, only to embarrass themselves, when their questions only show their lack of understanding of the situation and the person?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We have to ask ourselves the question, if knowing God is required for eternal life, what does it mean to “know” God? The word “know” can mean many things. We can bring our own definition into the conversation. But a good listener does not assume definitions but inquires to understand the intent of the one who is speaking to them. Understanding comes from laying down our presumptions. If “knowing” God is needed to keep us from eternal damnation, then we ought to be very clear on what the word “know” means according to the scripture. We ought to be cautious about coming up with our own definition.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Love does not submit to a child’s demands</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes, God could show up, and if it would work, if it was an effective means for bringing humanity to himself, because he is perfectly-loving, he would. We have seen that God is willing to take upon himself shame to bring people to himself (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">read more here</a>). God is not pridefully keeping himself away from us, but does so to protect us (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">read more here</a>). We have also seen that it would only be to our detriment if he listened to us. We are like children who think they know what is best for them but are unaware of the dangers of their desires. If their parent succumbed to their demands, knowing it would cause serious and permanent harm, are they being loving? It sounds like a good and noble request to ask God to show up and say, “Hi”, but in the end, we would be left empty and hollow, and eternally without hope. Sure, God breaking open the sky and showing up might convince us that he exists, we might even acknowledge his sovereignty over us, but it would not save us . . . quite the opposite. We would be condemned in our unbelief. We have seen (read <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a> and <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">hear</a>), that God hides himself for our protection, not his. For the Bible is clear that believing in the existence of God and even acknowledging his sovereignty is not enough to change the corruption and pride in our hearts. No, this would not be enough. James writes, “You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!” (2:19). James’ words ought to cause us to pause and caution us in our presumptions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A child trying to get the square peg into a round hole has a better chance if they stop and step back and relax, and allow themselves to be open to other possibilities and get a better handle on the whole picture. We should do the same. If the demons believe and acknowledge God&#8217;s authority over them and shudder, we ought to pause, sit down and be willing to listen, for there is more to the story . . . </p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins&nbsp;<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>. An outline can be found&nbsp;<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. (Acts 2:2–4, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the previous article (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>), we discussed the &#8220;sound&#8221;. The “sound” is not alone; it is accompanied by the “wind”. In the power of the “wind”, the “sound” of the Gospel has gone forth into all the world, and it has gone out to conquer the hearts of men. The “wind” or the “Spirit of the Lord” is the means by which the “breath” of the Word of God enters our being, breaking our hearts of stone and creating hearts of flesh and giving us life. In the same way that the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters and the Word of the Lord spoke creation into existence, and in the same way the breath of God gave life to Adam, so it is also by these means that a new creation is created through the Gospel message. So, you ask for a miracle. Well, this is the miracle, the most powerful miracle: the restoration of humanity and our transformation into sons of God. For as we hear and heed the message of the Gospel, we are transformed. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17). Ezekiel gives us this hope, “I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh” (Ezekiel 36:26). The prophet Ezekiel gives us insight into this and how the “sound” and “wind” work together to bring life. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones. And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. And he said to me,&nbsp;“Son of man, can these bones live?” And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.” Then he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the Lord.”&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I prophesied, there was a sound, and behold, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them. But there was no breath in them. Then he said to me,&nbsp;“Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then he said to me,&nbsp;“Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are indeed cut off.’ Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will bring you into the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people. And I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the Lord; I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the Lord.” (Ezekiel 37:1–14, ESV)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is the power of the Spirit that brings life into us, though we were dead in our trespasses. And it is the Holy Spirit that brings life whenever the Gospel is preached.</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)">But, as it is written, <br><br>      “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, <br>      nor the heart of man imagined, <br>      what God has prepared for those who love him”— <br><br>these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.<br>      (1 Corinthians 2:9–10, ESV)</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We cannot come to God without the Holy Spirit. Though the &#8220;sound&#8221; works through the preaching of the Gospel, it is not elegant words that convince those who hear to come. Paul describes is proclamation of the Gospel: &#8220;and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God&#8221; (1 Corinthians 2:4–5, ESV).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As Peter spoke the first sermon of the Church, the proclamation of the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit brought life to those hearing his words. In his sermon, Peter declared that Jesus is on his throne and has declared war on the kingdom of this world through the preaching of the Gospel (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/a-sound-foundation-in-the-chaos-of-the-end-time-interpretations/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">for more on this, go here</a>). The Gospel, with the power of the Holy Spirit, has the power to devastate the kingdom of this world. Those who hold on to this world will be swept away with it. The Gospel is &#8220;to the one an aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life&#8221; (2 Corinthians 2:16, NASB). God is calling humanity to abandon the kingdom of this world, which is given over to total destruction, “blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke”, and come and heed God’s call by calling upon the name of Jesus. From the day Peter preached this first sermon to this day, the Gospel has gone out into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. Will we resist the Holy Spirit? </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Does God do wonders, miracles, and perform signs? The answer is yes. But these things point to the Gospel and are a call to us to listen. But we must be careful to assume we would believe in God if we saw a miracle. Splitting seas, a voice from the sky, healings, God coming down, or whatever your imagination may conjure will not be the means by which your heart is broken. In fact, in the scripture, these things often lead to the heart getting harder. Jesus, in his parable, noted, “If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead” (Luke 16:31). And despite the miracles Jesus performed, most continued to walk in unbelief. “Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him” (John 12:37). Grand things will not move us. Dry bones and the dead are not moved by these things. Something far more intimate is needed. We need to hear the voice of someone who loves us, just as Lazarus, who was dead, heard Jesus’s voice. It is the power that created the world out of nothing that saves us. It is the voice of the one who loves us that calls us out of death. Our hearts can only be moved by hearing the voice of our Lover, the one who pursues his Bride.  </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And we know that this salvation does not come through great signs or knowledge or the efforts of men that puff up. Paul writes,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But the righteousness based on faith says,&nbsp;“Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); (Romans 10:6–8)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Paul declares, “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ” (10:17). After Peter’s sermon on Pentecost, the rest of Acts chronicles the story of the Gospel going forth to the world through the power of the Holy Spirit. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To those who demand signs of God’s existence, Jesus replies,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. (Matthew 12:39–41, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Even the preaching of a reluctant messenger had more effect than the mighty works that were being done amongst them. God has revealed himself, but in our stubbornness, we choose to harden our hearts to the truth.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (Romans 1:19–21, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When we stand before the throne of God, no one will accuse God of not revealing himself to them. It will be clear that they have suppressed the light given to them because they loved the darkness more than the light. &#8220;For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. . . . So they are without excuse&#8221; (Romans 1:18, 20b, ESV). Those who walk in continued willful unbelief and resist the Gospel’s and the Holy Spirit’s call do so to their own peril and shame. Those weary and heavy-laden by the darkness of this world and hear the call of love come into the light without price and shame.</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse"><br><br>“Come, everyone who thirsts, <br>   come to the waters; <br> and he who has no money, <br>   come, buy and eat! <br> Come, buy wine and milk <br>    without money and without price. <br> Why do you spend your money<br>   for that which is not bread, <br>    and your labor for that<br>      which does not satisfy? <br> Listen diligently to me, <br>     and eat what is good, <br>    and delight yourselves in rich food. <br> Incline your ear, and come to me; <br>    hear, that your soul may live; <br> and I will make with you <br>  an everlasting covenant, <br>    my steadfast, sure love for David. <br> Behold, I made him a witness<br>      to the peoples, <br>    a leader and commander<br>      for the peoples. <br> Behold, you shall call<br>   a nation that you do not know, <br>   and a nation that did not know<br>    you shall run to you, <br> because of the LORD your God,<br>   and of the Holy One of Israel, <br>    for he has glorified you. <br><br> “Seek the LORD while he may be found; <br>    call upon him while he is near; <br> let the wicked forsake his way, <br>    and the unrighteous man his thoughts; <br> let him return to the LORD,<br>   that he may have compassion on him, <br>    and to our God, for he<br>      will abundantly pardon. <br> For my thoughts are not your thoughts, <br>    neither are your ways my ways,<br>     declares the LORD. <br> For as the heavens are higher<br>      than the earth, <br>    so are my ways higher than your ways <br>    and my thoughts than your thoughts. <br><br> “For as the rain and the snow<br>   come down from heaven <br>    and do not return there<br>       but water the earth, <br> making it bring forth and sprout, <br>    giving seed to the sower <br>     and bread to the eater, <br> so shall my word be that goes<br>   out from my mouth; <br>    it shall not return to me empty, <br> but it shall accomplish <br>  that which I purpose, <br>    and shall succeed in the thing<br>      for which I sent it. <br><br> “For you shall go out in joy <br>    and be led forth in peace; <br> the mountains and the hills before you <br>    shall break forth into singing, <br> and all the trees of the field<br>      shall clap their hands. <br> Instead of the thorn shall<br>      come up the cypress; <br>   instead of the brier shall<br>      come up the myrtle; <br> and it shall make a name for the LORD, <br>    an everlasting sign that<br>      shall not be cut off.”<br>               (Isaiah 55, ESV)<br></pre>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</em></p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">God pursues those who hate him</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though we are in rebellion and our God’s enemies, hate him, and would cast him away (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">see more here</a>), God actively and shamelessly pursues us. And though God seems far away to us in our rebellion, God is, in fact, near.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“&nbsp;‘In him we live and move and have our being’;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">as even some of your own poets have said,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“&nbsp;‘For we are indeed his offspring.’</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">         (Acts 17:26–28, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As we shrink back from him in hatred and fear, he pursues us and comes gently in the “sound” and the “wind”. Though, as we discussed earlier, this implies hiddenness (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/" data-type="link" data-id="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">see more here</a>), they also indicate a depth of intimacy beyond mere knowledge that puffs up. If God “showed up” or did “miraculous works” or showed some definitive sign or proof of his existence, yes, we would believe he exists and have knowledge of him. But the wicked ask for signs such as these as a prerequisite for faith (Matthew 16:4, Luke 11:29, John 6:22-66). Mere knowledge brings pride, and pride is our foundational problem. We cannot expect God to reveal himself in a way that only compounds our problem. And so he comes instead in the intimacy of the “sound” and the “wind”, which brings so much more than all the grand miracles and signs combined. In this article, we will focus on &#8220;the sound&#8221;.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The sound</strong>&nbsp;</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“The sound of the Lord” or the “Word of the Lord” is pregnant with meaning throughout the scripture and is the means by which God has communicated with humanity. It is more than sound; it has the power to create. And as we will see, it has the power to turn a heart of stone into flesh and the power to bring life from death. It is the word of the Lord that spoke creation into existence.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00">   By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and by the breath of his mouth<br>      all their host. &nbsp;<br>   He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap; &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;he puts the deeps in storehouses.&nbsp;<br>   Let all the earth fear the Lord; &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;let all the inhabitants of the world<br>      stand in awe of him! &nbsp;<br>   For he spoke, and it came to be; &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;he commanded, and it stood firm.&nbsp;<br>                  (Psalm 33:6–9)</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Psalmist rightly broke out in song, “The voice of the LORD is powerful; the voice of the LORD is full of majesty” (29:4). We come to know God by his word as it works and invades our lives. The Word of the Lord is the scripture and is more than merely words on the page. “For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12). But more importantly, the word of the Lord is the “Logos” of the Gospel of John. . . Jesus is the Word of the Lord made flesh.  </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Moses taught the Israelites that&nbsp;“man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.” Moses speaks of a man who would come, and gives a warning from God, “whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him” (Deuteronomy 18:19).&nbsp;&nbsp;The writer of Hebrews warns as well, “See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned the on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven” (Hebrews 12:25). Peter emphasizes this, “Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people’” (Acts 3:22-23). Notice that the writer of Hebrews uses the phrase, “who is speaking”. Paul in Romans 10 alludes to the fact that when the Gospel is proclaimed, Jesus’s voice is heard.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written,&nbsp;“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00">   But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for &nbsp;<br><br>   “Their voice has gone out to all the earth,&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and their words to the ends of the world.”&nbsp;<br>                     (Romans 10:14–18)</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though God does mighty works and great miracles, these are not the primary means by which he brings us to himself. Nor can these things have any power without the preaching of the Gospel. It is not in awe, mighty works, or great signs and miracles that we have come to be reconciled to God, but it is through humility. God has destroyed pride through humility.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(Philippians 2:5–8, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Pride and seeking greatness caused the fall. We ought not think God would use these methods to win us back to himself. No, instead, he comes with humility and uses something much more powerful: his word.&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And he said,&nbsp;“Go out and stand on the mount before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore the mountains and broke in pieces the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire, the sound of a low whisper. (1 Kings 19:11–12, ESV)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With a whisper, God has turned the world upside down and has broken our pride and our hard hearts.&nbsp;</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The Hiddenness of God is the Story of Love</strong>&nbsp;</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes, a perfectly-loving and all-powerful God hid his face from us so that we might not see instant death (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">see more on this here</a>), but in the tenderness of his love, through his wisdom, he has found a way to reveal himself to us. And though his face is hidden, his love for us is not. What amazing love is this that conquers and breaks the pride of our hard hearts? And so we come to know God through the preaching of the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit. As we hear the words of Jesus, our hearts are changed. And because of the power of the Gospel, we will come to see God face to face and not be ashamed on that Day. Instead of shrinking back, we boldly come near God’s throne, look into our Father’s face, and know that we are beloved children of God. For us, the throne and being before God&#8217;s face is no longer a throne of judgment and certain death, but one of grace where we are declared to be his children. And so, the blessing of Israel will remove God’s hiddenness for those who are in Christ,&nbsp;</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00">   The LORD bless you and keep you;&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the LORD make his face to shine upon<br>       you and be gracious to you;&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the LORD lift up his countenance upon<br>       you and give you peace. &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Numbers 6:24-26)</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so, God will not remain hidden from us forever. All will see him face to face. Some for judgment, others for grace. For those who are known by Jesus, God fully revealing himself will be a glorious day. We will see God face to face. And we will know him as he knows us.&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. (1 Corinthians 13:12)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Notice that this passage speaks of seeing God as partly hidden, as in a mirror dimly. This description of God&#8217;s hiddenness is a part of the famous passage that talks about love, known as the Love Chapter. Yes, God’s purpose in his hiddenness is love. And because of love, he is still waiting for that day to make himself fully known to the world. He postpones that day, not for the sake of those who are in Christ, but for those who are still lost and at enmity with him, so that they too might hear the sound of his voice as he calls to us, “Come!” </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He holds back and remains hidden, for he is still calling out for the lost to come to him. And while God remains hidden, there is still hope for those who are at enmity with God. As God beckons us through the Gospel to come, will we allow his word to break down the walls of our pride and enmity toward him? He pleads with us, “Today,&nbsp;if&nbsp;you&nbsp;hear&nbsp;his&nbsp;voice, do&nbsp;not&nbsp;harden&nbsp;your&nbsp;hearts.”</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Being hidden and tabernacled in human flesh</strong>&nbsp;</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, even veiled and hidden, he has not failed to lavish his love upon us.&nbsp;“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). God “emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:7). God came veiled or tabernacled and walked amongst us as a human. John says, “our hands have touched” him. God became approachable. And he hid himself in this way that by becoming human, he might take upon himself the punishment we so deserved, “he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross” (2:8). Jesus stood before the Lord on that day in our place. And on that Day two thousand years ago, Jesus bore our final judgment proclaiming the debt had been paid in full. Three days later, Jesus conquered death&nbsp;for us by rising from the dead. And if we put our faith in Jesus, we stand before God and see his face, not based on our works, but based on the fact that Jesus bore our punishment of death on that day. The writer of Hebrews beckons us not to shrink back, run away, or hide, but instead calls to us with these words, “Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.” Jesus calls us gently to “Come.” Will we hear the sound of his voice and come near when he calls?</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">(1 Corinthians 1:18–19, ESV)</p>
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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are songs that act like a bladed spotlight, penetrating, cutting away at the walls I make, cutting deep enough to expose my heart and reveal who I am. In these words, I hear the sentiments of myself and see myself for who I am with all its ugliness,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Behold the man upon a cross,&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My sin upon His shoulders;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ashamed, I hear my mocking voice&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Call out among the scoffers. &nbsp;</p>
<cite>(How Deep is the Father’s Love for Us)&nbsp;</cite></blockquote>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I see my heart, I come to understand more deeply that without God’s grace, my rebellious heart would have no hope at all.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many will say, &#8220;If God showed up, I would believe in him&#8221;. Or even we might say we admire Jesus, even though we do not believe he is a God or that the Christian religion is valid. And most of us at least consider Jesus to be an ok guy. Christians may be jerks, but Jesus was a good moral teacher who taught people to love one another. Love is good. Can’t hate a person like that, right? I suppose, but do we know the man? We can say we like Jesus because, for most of us, Jesus is an idea, a concept, more than a real person with whom we must interact. We can define and mold an idea to our imagination and fit it around our expectations. If we keep him contained, Jesus is not a person we have to get to know. Here is the deal: If you have this casual knowledge of Jesus and like him, it is probably because you do not know much about him. Yes, they greeted him with joy and a kingly welcome when he entered Jerusalem. But only a few days later, those who were alive and interacted with him when he was here ended up crying out, “crucifying him.”&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But we might say,&nbsp;“Yeh, they crucified him back then, but I wouldn’t do that.” Well, . . . is that really true? Do you know him? Have you experienced him, seen him, heard him speak, like those who crucified him? He deeply challenged the hearts of all who were near him. Why do you think your response would be different? We tend to see the best in ourselves. “If I was there, I would have behaved differently. . .I would have stood up to Nazism, racism, slavery, etc. blah, blah, blah . . .” We believe we are wiser, better prepared, stronger, unique, and not like all others who have come before us. But if we are honest with ourselves, we are no better than others, for our hearts are prone to the same longings for safety and comfort. We have a strong instinct for self-preservation. We are by no means unique or superior in this instinct but are flawed with the same weaknesses and faults as those who came before us. I know this because I have seen this so many times in my own heart and actions. And even though I wish I could simply shake them off, they cling to me. Or better said, they are a cancer inside of me that requires major intervention to be removed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When I say this, you may think I am going to say that you would be offended by Jesus’ moral teaching. Though this is often true, it is not the core of the offense. This is crucial to understand: Jesus was not a moral teacher. He did not come to make us better people. He was not creating a to-do list or steps on how to be a good person. He was not giving strategies on how to love others. He did not come to build us up or to make us feel better about ourselves.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He came to destroy us. To call us to lose our life. He had come to destroy our world. For he was calling people out of the kingdom of this world, out of the darkness, out of oppression into his Kingdom. Jesus said, “I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness” (John 12:46, ESV).&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We hear the word &#8220;darkness&#8221;, and we think of things that are clearly evil. Things like murder, rape, slavery, and abuse. But the fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not something that was grotesque, but “was good for food,” and “a delight to the eyes” and “was to be desired to make one wise” (Genesis 3:6). The fruit “opened their eyes.” The truth is that we are not attracted to things we find grotesque. We are attracted to the things we love and hold dear. But in turning to these things, we have turned away from our creator to things that have been created. We have abandoned the source of light, and therefore, we are in darkness.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Most of us are attached to the world we live in, the things we have and the ideas we treasure, and the joys we experience, and so were most in the days Jesus walked the earth. Jesus said that we need to be willing to cut off our right arm or pluck out our right eye. The right arm was seen as a symbol of one’s power, the eye as something most precious to us. If someone came to chop off our right arm or pluck out our right eye, we would fight and fight to the death to defend ourselves. Imagine if someone was coming to destroy your world and all that you loved. How would you respond? Would you defend yourself? What if that enemy declared&nbsp;“no surrender and no quarter”? Yes, the people in Jesus’s day were no different than us. Jesus is by no means comfortable. Jesus has come and threatens all that we know and hold on to. He calls us to abandon this world and follow him. He has called us to die. This is not casual moral teaching; it is a line in the sand. Jesus said that the world “hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil” (John 7:7, ESV). We do not want to hear this message. Love does not abide evil. It destroys and conquers it completely, with no option for surrender or quarter. Love has come to conquer us.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A popular verse is John 3:16,&nbsp;“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” But right after this, Jesus makes it clear, “And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed” (John 3:19,20, ESV).&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jesus may intrigue us, but in the end, we love this world, and we want to hold on to it. We will take the Jesus of our imagination, but we will not take the Jesus who has come to conquer. Jesus has come to destroy this evil age, and if we cling to it, we will be destroyed along with it. And this being so, Jesus is a threat to the life we love. He is a threat to us. Jesus made it clear, “Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life”&nbsp;(John 12:25, ESV).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so, Jesus came to rescue us from our fate, to save us from the darkness, to save us from ourselves, but we love the darkness more than the light. We love the life we have made more than God. We love the darkness and do not want to let it go, and so the light becomes our enemy and invasion force, rather than a rescue mission and our salvation. Though Jesus is indeed the enemy of evil and darkness, He is also the one who has come to rescue us from evil and darkness. And yet, because the darkness has become so dear to us, we flip things in our upside down world and call what is good, evil, and what is evil, good. We flee from the light into the comfort of darkness and so choose our fate.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jesus’s miracles and teachings fascinated and intrigued the masses, but in reality, he was not well loved by the people of his day. On occasion, people picked up stones to kill Jesus after hearing him speak. He was hounded by the Pharisees and Sadducees. Even the crowds who followed him and appeared to love him eventually abandoned him because they found his teachings too hard for them. Their love was the comfort of this world. Only a few stuck it out, and even those deserted him when he was arrested. And in the end, when he was brought before the people to see what they would have done, they cried out, “Crucify him!”&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When I take an honest look at my own heart, I am with those who tried to stone him, with those who abandoned and deserted him, and in that crowd who called for his death. I can say with the hymnist,&nbsp;“Ashamed, I hear my mocking voice call out among the scoffers.”&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jesus said, &nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled:&nbsp;‘They hated me without a cause.’ (John 15:23-25)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, some will say if God showed up, I would believe in him. He has shown up, and he has performed great miracles, validating his claims. Those who were there and saw these miracles and heard his teachings, instead of believing, killed him. Do not think you would have acted any differently than those who saw him in his day. You, too, would defend the things you love. We love this world and are ready to fight against anything that has come to destroy the things we cherish. And this is what the Kingdom of God does, it destroys this evil age and calls us to repent and to come to God and be reconciled with him through the work and worth of Jesus alone. In the end, Love will overcome, and this evil age will come to an end. Though we fight it, we cannot stop it. Love will conquer evil. However, this world is all we have known. What God has called us to is unknown and uncomfortable. We cringe and shrink back and are afraid to tread. We see our world being destroyed, and we desperately want to fight to keep it. We believe that when we fight against Jesus, we are protecting what is good, fighting against an enemy who is coming after what we believe is good, beautiful, wise, and true. And we are willing to do anything to keep the “good” we have. So, in this frantic desire to protect what I have, regardless of how much God pursues me in his love, I hear my angry voice defending what I love and crying out, &#8220;How dare you show up in my world&#8221;, “Crucify him!”, “Away with the man who has come to threaten my world.”&nbsp;</p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/">here</a>.</em></p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Be careful what you wish for . . .</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some will ask if God exists, why doesn’t he make himself completely obvious so that there is no doubt that he exists. They say that this is what they want in order for them to believe. If they had it they would believe in God. But is believing in God’s existence what they need? They foolishly make this claim because they do not understand the dangers of what they are asking. The saying is true, we must be careful what we wish for. . .. &nbsp;</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The demons believe and are condemned for it</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You want God to reveal himself definitively and clearly in order for you to believe. But is this kind of belief enough? The scriptures tell us that the demons believe in God, and yet they are left shuddering and without hope (James 2:19). Why is this so? The answer is that they have no hope because of the fact that they believe and know that God exists. And it is their knowing God that condemns them and has left them without hope, for their rejection of God came after God made himself known to them. Therefore, there is no more that God can do for the demons, no more evidence that God can provide to convince them to change their hearts. What in you would make your response any different than the demons? &nbsp;</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Signs and wonders do not produce faith</strong><strong></strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We see this warning in other places throughout the Bible of people hardening their hearts despite being given signs and wonders and direct proofs of God’s existence. We see this specifically during the Exodus. Pharaoh continually hardened his heart against the signs and wonders God gave. But not only Pharaoh, but more significantly, the Israelites who had&nbsp;been delivered also hardened their heart and went astray, and were left without hope. After the Israelites had been given many manifold and direct proofs of God and had experienced God’s love and faithfulness and his tender care for them in the wilderness, they still lacked faith in God and failed to trust in his word. Because of this, God says of that generation that they shall never enter his rest. There was no more hope for them. Israel once again rejected God, despite all the signs and wonders Jesus performed. Despite all they had seen, they, too, hardened their hearts. This is a common pattern when God reveals himself with signs and wonders.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An interesting note: when Nicodemus, a member of the Sanhedrin, comes to Jesus, he states,&nbsp;“Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” Don’t miss that this man who was “a ruler of the Jews” doesn’t say “I believe” but he says “we believe”. Could he be speaking of the other leaders as well? It is not clear who the “we” are, but it is clear that the leadership understood that Jesus had come to destroy their world and that instead of embracing Jesus and acknowledging that his works were from God, they publicly attributed his works to Beelzebub. Jesus had come to destroy what they had known and their privilege. In the parable of the vineyard Jesus describes the leaders as ones who were willing to kill the son to protect what they had in the hopes that the vineyard would remain in their possession. There was a stubborn rejection of the signs and wonders given to them in order to protect what they had.&nbsp;</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Revelation only brings judgement</strong><strong></strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is clear that the more revelation God gives us of himself, the more judgment we will incur if we continue to reject him, and if we continue to harden our hearts, there will come a day when it will be declared that we shall never enter God’s rest.&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Jesus said, ‘For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.’ Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, ‘Are we also blind?’ Jesus said to them, ‘If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.’” (John 9:39–41)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, we must be careful how much we want to see because the more we see, the more we are hastening the day of our final judgment if we continue to harden our hearts.&nbsp;Those who claim they want a sign in order to believe are like these Pharisees: if you will not hear the gospel, you will also not be convinced by a powerful sign. We will later see that it is only the gospel that can make one believe.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God will reveal himself</strong>&nbsp;</h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There will be a day when God makes himself fully known to humanity in a definitive and decisive way as atheists have asked, where no one can deny who he is. They won’t doubt his existence or attribute it to the failings of their mind. All eyes will see him. They will know that he is God. Atheists will confess that he is God with no doubt in their minds. But on that day, our fate will be sealed. On that day, every knee will bow down and confess that he is Yahweh. But for many, like the demons, this bowing and confession will be to their judgment. For having knowledge and acknowledging who God is and his sovereignty is not enough.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If like the Jewish leaders, we believe that God owes you an extraordinary sign to prove his existence, even if your request was granted, like the Jewish leaders who contributed the miracles to the work of Beelzebub, we too, would find some other explanation other than being willing to hear the call of God. We are not much different than the Israelites in the wilderness or the Jewish leaders who saw the works of God. &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Those who ask God to reveal himself in this way do not understand what they are asking. If God made himself known, as many atheists have asked, then that day would be their judgment day. They would perish without hope. We cannot presume that we would repent, even if we saw the most ardent proof of God. And so again, we need to be careful what we ask for, for just as the demons determined their own fate despite such evidence, if God gave us what we asked for, God could do nothing more after that to rescue us.&nbsp;</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>But I would repent</strong>&nbsp;</h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some may say,&nbsp;“But my heart would change, I would repent if I saw that kind of evidence!” I know many believe this, but would it be enough? Just as belief is not enough, so repentance is not enough to rescue us from ourselves. It is unlikely we would change, but even if we did and let’s say lived a perfect life, the Christian faith requires something more profound than living a moral life. It requires dying to ourselves and losing our lives, not a frantic attempt to save it by changing our outward behavior in order to be rescued from judgment. Blaise Pascal wrote, “God has given evidence sufficient for those with an open and an open heart, but it is sufficiently vague as not to compel those whose hearts are closed”. God is not interested in&nbsp;“compelled hearts”.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No, God has given enough evidence for us to believe; we are just really good at suppressing his call. We are like children playing on the playground who don’t want to listen to their parent calling to them from afar off to come home. Because they want to continue to play, they suppress that call. And like these children, we want to continue in our own way, and so we suppress the call of God to come home. And just because the parent leaves their home and no longer yells from afar, but shows up on the playground and makes it clear that their child is to return home, and the child yields to their parents demand and walks with them home, this does not mean that the child’s heart values their parent’s voice in that moment more than the playground. Given the chance, if not compelled, they would rush back to the playground without hesitation.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Of course, the analogy would be more fitting if instead of playing in the playground, the kids were playing on a busy highway. For though the pleasures of this world are intoxicating, they are&nbsp;fleeting&nbsp;and in the end, cause us harm. Peter describes our love for the things of this world as vomit and mire,&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them:&nbsp;“The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” (2 Peter 2:20–22)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yes, if God showed up, we might submit, but our hearts would still be attached to this world. Know one who is attached to this world can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Pride is destructive both to the person and those around them, and it has no place in the Kingdom of God. &nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Was Esau able to find hope in this kind of repentance? His weeping and tears were those of bitterness, loss, and sorrow but not of a broken heart or of a man who had died to himself. We do not realize how much sin and pride have infected our hearts. Just as one gets used to a horrid rotting smell after a while, we have gotten used to the depths of our sin and see them as light. We are used to the smell of death that sin brings. But Jesus made it clear that if we say a harsh word to another that we are far more infected by sin and pride than we realize. If we look at another with lust, we are subject to eternal judgment. Jesus made it clear that none of us are as good as we think we are and justly deserve judgment. Our passions and desires are at war with one another and with God. &nbsp;</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>We would not embrace God</strong>&nbsp;</h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Do not think that if God gave us direct revelation that you would embrace him or want to be near him. Apart from Christ, just as Adam fled and hid from God, so we, too, will shrink back and flee from God’s presence. Those who love darkness do not want to be in the light. Gehenna is described as a place of darkness; and it is described with qualities that are in opposition to God. This is one of the ironies of the fate of those who reject God,&nbsp;</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-palette-color-8-background-color has-background">     Woe to those who draw iniquity <br>       with cords of falsehood,  <br>          who draw sin as with cart ropes,  <br>     who say: “Let him be quick,  <br>          let him speed his work  <br>          that we may see it;  <br>     let the counsel of the Holy One<br>      of Israel draw near,  <br>          and let it come, <br>           that we may know it!”  <br>     Woe to those who call evil good  <br>          and good evil,  <br>     who put darkness for light  <br>          and light for darkness,  <br>     who put bitter for sweet  <br>          and sweet for bitter!  <br>     Woe to those who are wise <br>       in their own eyes,  <br>          and shrewd in their own sight! <br>                (Isaiah 5:18–21) <br></pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We reject God because we think our way of doing things is good and God’s way of doing things is evil. The irony is that because we love the darkness, we will abandon God, and in doing so, we will abandon the source of life, light, love, joy, goodness, etc., and flee to dwell in a place that has none of these things to be free of God’s presence. It would not matter if God showed up because we would not want to come to him if he did.&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (John 3:19–20)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let’s suppose I dwelt in a dark cave for a long time, and all of a sudden, I found myself in a bright open field. What would my response to the light be? For those who only have knowledge of God, this light is unbearable. They cover their eyes and shrink back. They do not want to be near God. They will not be able to bear standing before God.&nbsp;</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-palette-color-8-background-color has-background">     Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord?
         And who shall stand in his holy place? 
            (Psalm 24:3)&nbsp;  &nbsp;</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Only those found in Jesus and who are a completely new creation can stand in the light and embrace it. Without Jesus, no one can approach God. But for those apart from Christ, they are unable to stand and do not want to be in his presence. This response to rejecting God and fleeing his presence is deeper and more ingrained in us than someone in a cave being exposed to light. If God showed up, we would not embrace him; instead, like roaches fleeing when the light is turned on, we would frantically flee to a place of darkness. The same light that opens a world of beauty for those who love the light is torment for those who love darkness. Our hearts must change if we are to be able to be near God. No amount of evidence would change this. We are no better than the demons, Pharoh, the Israelites, or the Pharisees. Thankfully, God has presented himself through Jesus in human flesh, breaking the veil that kept God separated and hidden so that we might be able to stand before God on the day he is fully revealed, clothed in the righteousness of Jesus. Those who have come to the Lion of Judah and embrace him in love will not flee like the wicked, &nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The wicked flee when no one pursues,&nbsp;&nbsp;but the righteous are bold as a lion. (Proverbs 28:1)&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">the lion, which is mightiest among beasts, and does not turn back before any (Proverbs 30:30)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls. (Hebrews 10:39)&nbsp;</p>
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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/">here</a>.</em></p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">We tremble and shrink back</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As discussed earlier (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">here</a>), God has postponed the Day of the Lord, the day of our judgment . . . by hiding himself. And because of this we have hope, despite the definitive verdict for our trespasses. But this is not the only reason God hides himself. . . .</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For even if God were to come near without judgment as he did with Adam and Eve, we would shrink back, run away, and hide from his presence. This is our natural inclination, just as it is the natural inclination for roaches to flee for the darkness when the light is turned on. A fallen humanity cannot stand before the Lord, not just because God is holy, which is one reason, but also because we don’t want to be near his presence. We need to be clear; it is not God who does not want to be near for “He is not far from each one of us” (Acts 17:27, NASB), but it is we who cannot bear to be in his presence. Let us look at Adam and Eve’s response when God came into the Garden.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. (Genesis 3:8)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Adam and Eve shrunk back and hid themselves. Because this is our natural response, if God wanted a relationship with humanity where we would not flee, he had to condescend so that we would stick around long enough to hear his voice. God does not overwhelm us by his presence but comes to where we are and is gentle, treating us as precious and as the apple of his eye. Therefore, God’s hiddenness is an act of loving-kindness towards us, allowing us to come near to him.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so, when God came to Adam and Eve after they had sinned, he did not come in the fullness of his glory, but instead he came hidden in gentleness and patient kindness for God is slow to anger and abounding in loving devotion and faithfulness (Psalm 103:8, Exodus 34:6). The word “cool” in the passage above can be translated “wind”, rendering the phrase, “the sound of the Lord God walking in the Garden in the wind of the day”. The words “wind of the day” is describing God coming in the clouds. When God comes near, he is often portrayed as being cloaked in clouds or cloaked in some other way, such as behind the veil of the tabernacle. As it is hard to see on a dense foggy day, this cloud obscures us from seeing God in his fullness. Likewise, the word “sound” is describing the fact that God’s face is not seen, but only his voice is present. When God shows up, we often see the term “the Word of the Lord”. This is more than just hearing an ethereal voice out of nowhere. Often, the “word” or “sound” is doing things like “walking in the garden” or “standing”. There is a real presence. But like the word “wind”, it is describing the presence of God that is hidden. We cannot fully see God. And so, the words “sound” and “wind” are significant words in the Bible, describing both a God who is hidden and who is intimately near us. In the Bible, when God makes his presence known after the fall, it is never by direct means but always hidden in a cloud of glory and through the word of the Lord. And so, by using the words “sound” and “wind”, this passage is describing a God who had already hidden himself before coming into the garden to meet with Adam and Eve. With these words, it is clear that their relationship has changed. God was no longer going to have direct and naked fellowship with Adam and Eve. And yes, by this act of hiding himself, God was postponing the day of judgment by hiding his throne and his face from us, but in love, he was also doing something more. . .. He was making himself approachable to humanity despite their sin.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Notice that Adam and Eve’s response is similar to the Israelites&#8217; response when they heard the sound of the Lord and saw the clouds.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. (Exodus 19:16, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off and said to Moses, “You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, lest we die.” (Exodus 20:18–19, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ (Deuteronomy 18:16, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” (Hebrews 12:18–21, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Israel trembled and did not want God’s presence to be near. Just like Adam and Eve, the Israelites would prefer to be hidden from God’s presence. We may feel bold and shout up to the sky, telling God that he ought to reveal himself more directly to us, but even if he came veiled and hidden, we would not be able to handle it. We would fall on our faces, trembling. Instead of wanting to be in his presence, we, like Adam and Eve, would flee. And we, like the Israelites, would only harden our hearts in unbelief on that day. This is what Hebrews speaks of when it describes “those who shrink back and are destroyed” (Hebrews 10:39, ESV). And it is the very thing God is trying to avoid in hiding himself. If God showed up, we would run away and destroy ourselves, for we would flee even if that meant running to a place of darkness. </p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">We who do not want God near, though he comes near</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let us be clear. It is not because God is not good that we shrink back. It is because evil cannot survive in his presence that we shrink back in fear. Light is good, but darkness flees in the presence of light. For those who love the light, this is good. For those who love the darkness, this is terror, for the things they love cannot survive in the light. Jesus brings healing, for he is the way, the truth, and the life. &#8220;In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it&#8221; (John 1:4–5, ESV). Yet despite this, we reject him,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (John 3:19–20, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so, because we love our sin, we shrink back in fear of being destroyed. Because this is our tendency when in the presence of God, God veils and hides himself. God lowers down the notch by infinite degrees so that his presence won’t overwhelm us. He comes in the shadows and in the things that go bump in the night; we just choose to shrink back and hide. The most repeated command in the Bible is, &#8220;Do not fear&#8221;. In our fear, God is gentle, kind, sensitive, and loving in the way he approaches us. </p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God hid himself in order to rescue us</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though God hides from us, God is not hiding from us in the sense that he does not want to be found, nor in the sense that he is difficult to find. That is so far from the truth. God hid himself to protect us from the judgment day and to keep us from shrinking back so that he might rescue us. And so, yes, there is a theme of hiddenness, a veil, a cloud throughout the Bible, that only allows us to see God dimly, as if in a reflection. And yes, we cannot see God directly, for we are carefully kept from this by a loving God who is gentle, patient, lowly, humble, and self-sacrificing in the way he handles us in our fallen nature. And he has done this not to hide himself from us, but instead that he might be approachable and might be found. And it is indeed his desire to be found by us and come to Him, despite our sin. Psalm 32 has the theme of God calling to the sinner to come near despite their sin. In this Psalm, God calls to the sinner,</p>



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          mule,
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          and bridle,
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Because God has veiled himself, because of his hiddenness, it allows us to come near into his presence without shrinking back or being like a mule, and as we come near, we need not fear our final judgment because the veil keeps us from his throne and his face. Paul states that God set history “that [we] should seek God, and perhaps feel [our] way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us” (Acts 17:27, ESV).&nbsp; Moses describes God’s nearness,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it (Deuteronomy 30:11–14, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Paul elaborates on this,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:5–13)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though God is hidden, he is not far from each one of us. The only wall between us is our willingness to call upon the name of the Lord. But instead of coming to God, we are the ones who hide ourselves from his presence despite his gentle kindness towards us. We, in our “unrighteousness suppress the truth” (Romans 1:18). We actively hide God’s presence from ourselves, for his presence means we will be exposed and vulnerable. We love the darkness and don’t want to be exposed by the light. We love our world. God’s presence destroys our world, and we want to fight to keep it. And so, we shrink back and hide ourselves.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But God is only a call away from us. When we are ready to leave our world behind and come to him, we will find that he was already there with arms open wide.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth (Psalm 145:18)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LORD is near to the brokenhearted; He saves the contrite in spirit. (Psalm 34:1)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Our Father is near. And if we go back to the words “sound” and “wind”, we will see this. Though they imply hiddenness, they also imply a deep intimacy and a loving faithfulness. And because of His love and kindness, an all-powerful, all-knowing God has chosen to use these means to reveal himself. We will discuss more about the “sound” and the “wind” in the upcoming articles in this series (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/">The hidden God in an evil world</a>). But before we discuss the &#8220;sound&#8221; and the &#8220;wind&#8221;, we will look at our response to the &#8220;obvious&#8221; means of evidence that atheists seem to want, for we must be careful what we wish for.</p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>.</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The Problem of Futile Suffering</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I listened as an atheist admitted that the most difficult quandary for him in believing in God is the presence of pointless suffering. He could not understand how a perfectly-loving God could allow pointless suffering in the world? He described a scenario of a tree that had fallen on deer in the middle of nowhere. Even though the deer cried out for help, there was no one to rescue the deer. This deer did not die instantly but languished for days before it finally succumbed to its wounds and lack of food and water and died. Because no one was there, no one ever knew what happened, it had no effect on anyone whether good or bad. Nor was it caused by foolishness or evil. It just happened. If you have experienced enough life, you have experienced this kind of futility. It is easier to take hold of the idea that suffering can in some way help us to grow or the fact that God can use evil in this world to produce good. We are easily captivated by the idea that God not only triumphs over evil, but ultimately thwarts the plan of evil for his own purposes, making a complete mockery of evil. After all this is ultimately what we see in the death of Jesus. But what about suffering that occurs where we look at it and it is just utterly futile. Do we tell people, “It is going to be ok”, “It will get better”, or “There is some purpose behind it”. We can try to paint a rosy picture on this kind of suffering, but I do not think that is what we find in scripture. The scripture is honest, yes, there is futility, vanity, and chaos in the world. Ecclesiastes declares, “’Futility of futilities,’ says the Preacher, ‘Futility of futilities! All is futility.” (1:2, NASB). And Paul confirms this, “For the creation was subjected to futility” (Romans 8:20a).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is not surprising that we perform evil acts. We have rejected God and chosen to do what is right in our own eyes. God does not have the quality of goodness; he is the basis and source of goodness. God is good. So, when humanity rejects and abandons their only source of goodness, that goodness withers away and dies. God has made us in the image of God, but just as a rose on a branch withers away when separated from its source, so we too cannot maintain our goodness apart from God. The moment that branch is cut off it is decaying, and it is cut off from life. You might place it in water, but it does not change the essence of death. When we reject God, we too fall into depravity. The psalmist understood this when he wrote, “You are my Lord; I have nothing good besides You” (16:2, NASB). So, it is not surprising the horror that has resulted from humanity’s rebellion and hatred of God. When you abandon good you have evil. But does this explain why there is futile suffering?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let us go back to Romans 8:20a and read it in its context,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. (Romans 8:18–24a, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Paul is clear that God has subjected creation to futility, but it is a futility with purpose so that the sons of God may be revealed and even creation itself will be restored as humanity is once again in their rightful place as royal priests presiding over creation bringing prosperity to creation. So, why did God subject creation to futility, and how does this accomplish the restoration of mankind?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Adam rebelled against God by eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, he broke the command of God and his covenant. God had made it clear that if he broke the command, “in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Genesis 2:17, ESV). The term, “in the day” refers both to the immediate fall of man, but also refers to the day of judgement when we stand before God’s throne and see him face to face. What we find is that though we experience the former, God postpones the later. Instead of bringing Adam before his throne, God veils himself and keeps his face hidden and then expels Adam and Eve from the Garden, keeping them from his throne. If God had not done this, you and I would not be here today. (For more on this, read <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">here</a>.) When God hid his face from mankind, he also hid his face from creation and this act has significant consequences.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We have noted that when we actively separate ourselves from God in our rebellion, because we have abandoned the only source of good, our hearts become depraved and evil results. Likewise, when God veiled or hid himself in order to save mankind, this absence of the fullness of his glory affected all of creation. Like us, creation requires God’s presence in his fullness to be good. Neither we nor creation work properly without the fullness of God’s presence. So, when God veiled himself chaos, decay, and futility occurred in nature. And so yes, there is futility in this world. But as Paul writes, God did this in hope. In hope he kept Adam and Eve from his face and from his throne room, because he had a plan to save both mankind and creation through the seed of the women, Jesus.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though we groan inwardly, we have a great hope. And this is our hope, that both we and creation will once again experience the fullness of the presence of God. As the psalmist cries out, “Restore us, O God; let your face shine, that we may be saved” (Psalm 80:3). It is in seeing God’s face that we are restored. And because of the work and worth of Jesus, those who put their trust in him, will see God’s face. “For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known” (1 Corinthians 13:12, NASB). John describes how we will be healed when we see God’s face, “Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is” (John 3:2, NASB). And likewise, creation will be healed when it experiences the fullness of the presence of God. “They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea” (Isaiah 11:9, ESV). “No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face,” (Revelation 22: 3-4a). God will not only conquer evil, but he will also conquer futility as well. God is a God that can bring order out of chaos. He is God over all, and he will truly use all things for his glory and for the good of those who love him. It is only an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfectly loving God that can accomplish all this.</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;font-size:clamp(14px, 0.875rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.078), 15px);">     On this mountain the LORD <br>       of hosts will make for all peoples <br>          a feast of rich food, <br>            a feast of well-aged wine, <br>          of rich food full of marrow, <br>            of aged wine well refined. <br>     And he will swallow up <br>       on this mountain <br>          the covering that is <br>           cast over all peoples, <br>          the veil that is spread<br>           over all nations. <br>     He will swallow up death forever; <br>     and the Lord GOD will wipe <br>       away tears from all faces, <br>         and the reproach of his people <br>           he will take away <br>            from all the earth, <br>         for the LORD has spoken. <br>     It will be said on that day, </pre>



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<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;font-size:clamp(14px, 0.875rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.078), 15px);">     The LORD bless you and keep you;<br>        the LORD make his face <br>         to shine upon you and <br>         be gracious to you;<br>        the LORD lift up his countenance<br>         upon you and <br>         give you peace. <br>         (Numbers 6:24–26, ESV) </pre>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/">here</a>.</em></p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The death of Shemei</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Solomon looked at the man standing before his throne and proclaimed, “You know in your own heart all the harm that you did to David my father. So, the LORD will bring back your harm on your own head. But King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD forever” (1 Kings 2:44-45, ESV). After the king spoke these words, Benaiah the son of Jehoiada drew his sword and struck him down. . . Shimei was dead.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Three years earlier, before he died, Shimei had stood before Solomon and Solomon had warned him, “on the day you go out and cross the brook Kidron, know for certain that you shall die” (1 Kings 2:37, ESV). Shimei replied, “What you say is good; as my lord the king has said, so will your servant do” (38). But Shimei did not take these words to heart, for before being brought before Solomon’s throne to be sentenced, he had crossed the Kidron to retrieve two of his servants who had fled to Gath. And just as Solomon had promised, the moment he stepped across the Kidron, that very day, his death was certain.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>“The day”</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This event is reminiscent of God’s command to Adam, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Genesis 2:16–17, ESV). Both Solomon and God gave the edict “for in the day”. But neither Shimei nor Adam were put to death on the exact same day they violated the command. Did God fail to keep his promise that “in the day” Adam ate of the tree he would “surely die”?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After Shimei stepped on the other side of the Kidron, he traveled to Gath, obtained his servants, and returned home. The average day’s journey for a donkey is 15-20 miles, but possibly 30 (donkeyonfarm.com). The trip to Gath and back would have been around 50-60 miles there and back. Shimei would also have had to take the time to retrieve his servants. Therefore, it is improbable that Shimei left Jerusalem, found his servants in Gath, returned to Jerusalem, and was summoned by Solomon on the same day. On the day Shimei crossed the Kidron his death was certain, but his death did not occur until he was brought before the throne room and saw Solomon face to face, and judgment was pronounced.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Sound and Wind</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After Adam sinned and God comes to meet with Adam we find an interesting phrase, “And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the [wind] of the day” (Genesis 3:8, [added]). Notice it doesn’t say the LORD God walked, but instead “the <strong>sound</strong> of the Lord God” and this walking was in “the <strong>wind</strong> of the day”. In the rest of the Bible, we have similar language. It is the word of the LORD that met with Abraham in Genesis 15 and spoke through the prophets. We also see a similar description at the end of Job when the LORD comes to speak. And when God comes, he comes cloaked in clouds. We see a vivid picture of this when God comes to Mount Sinai: “there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the LORD had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly. And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder” (Exodus 19:16–19, ESV). It is no surprise that Adam and Eve, on hearing God come into the garden of Eden after they had broken God’s command, shrunk back and hid themselves from the presence of the LORD among the trees of the garden, just as the Israelites trembled at Sinai.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Man shall not see God&#8217;s face and live</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though this image of God coming into the Garden and meeting with the Israelites at Mount Sinai is powerful, it is a picture of a God who has hidden himself, who has hidden his face. When Moses asked to see God’s glory, he was told, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.’” (Exodus 33:19–20, ESV). Remember, Shimei’s death did not occur till he stood before the throne and saw Solomon face to face. Coming before the throne and seeing the king face to face meant judgment, and the penalty had already been proclaimed – death. When God came to meet Adam in the Garden, he hid his face and promptly escorted Adam and Eve out of Eden, and the sword, instead of putting Adam and Eve to death, prevented them from entering the throne room of God. Just as Shimei’s death was certain when he passed over the Kidron, so Adam’s death was certain, but unlike Shimei, Adam’s day before the throne was postponed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In that crucial point in history, if Adam and Eve had stood before the throne of God and saw God’s face that very day, their judgment would have been proclaimed, and they would have died. If God had not hidden himself and driven Adam and Eve out, humanity would have ended there. You and I would not exist.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>An all-knowing, all-powerful, perfectly-loving God will hide himself</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The question is often asked why would an all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly-loving God hide himself from us, if he wants us to know him. Why does he not reveal himself clearly? The simple answer is because he is all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly loving, he has in love chosen to hide himself so that he can postpone the day of our judgment. He does this so that during this postponement, he can rescue and bring a people to himself. We are in the period between when Shemei placed one foot across the Kidron and before he came before the throne of Solomon. Make no mistake, just as Shemei’s death was certain the moment he passed the Kidron, so our death is certain, and that “day” will come . . .</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11–15, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. (2 Peter 3:8–10, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And this is our hope . . . On this day, the day of the great white throne judgement evil will finally be destroyed, and no longer cause harm and on that day the final enemy will be destroyed, death itself. And yet, because God hid himself, not all of humanity will be destroyed. He made a way through his son, Jesus, the son of David.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On that day, the throne of the son of David will prosper and be established forever, and the people of the son of David will stand victorious. For God has made another day called “Today”. On this day, called “Today”, Jesus, the final Adam, in his humanity stood before the throne of God. On the cross, he bore the wrath of God in our place. The punishment that should have fallen on us fell on him. As our great high priest took upon himself the wrath of God and died in our place. But Jesus did not stay in the grave and could not be held in Sheol; he conquered death and the gates of Hades in his resurrection. The bondage of death can no longer hold us. When we call upon the name of the Lord and put our trust in the work and worth of Jesus alone, we have our day before the throne of God, but just as the ark and the Passover lamb protected them from the wrath of God, we are bound to Christ, and God’s presence instead of destroying us purifies us and makes us whole. We are not like Adam and Eve or the Israelites who shrunk back and hid themselves in God’s presence, but instead, we “with confidence draw near to the throne of grace” (Hebrews 4:16). We stand before the throne, and the King declares us righteous. For those of the Kingdom of David, “No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads” (Revelation 22: 3-4, ESV).</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God owned the idea of hiddenness before the atheists</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Throughout the Bible, God is seen as being surrounded or cloaked in clouds or veiled. The idea of a hidden God does not come first from atheists questioning God; it comes from the story of the Gospel and is an important concept in understanding this redemption story. An old lady once said to King David, “We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast” (2 Samuel 14:14). And this is the purpose in God hiding himself &#8211; because God so loved this world, he made a Way and had a plan to bring us back to himself, so that one day we might stand before his throne, in his presence and see his face. For those who are in Christ, when we stand before God, his judgment passes over us while we remain unscathed, for our judgment is dealt with on the cross and is conquered in Jesus’s resurrection. So, the atheist may ask the question, “Why is God hidden?” but it is only because God is hidden that they can even ask the question. The only reason you and I are alive and able to read this is because a perfectly loving God hid himself, postponing our judgment day.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Come!</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LORD has called out to you and I to “Come!”. Be assured of this, though our judgment and fate our certain, if we do not heed the call of the Gospel. Do not fool yourself by thinking you will be able to say to God, “a perfectly-loving God would not hide himself, therefore I ought not be judged”. This call has gone out to the whole world. His call has gone out to you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;font-size:clamp(14px, 0.875rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.078), 15px);">          But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for 
     “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, 
          and their words to the ends of the world.” 
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We may believe that we can be children and claim we just didn’t hear God, and feel like we can make excuses, but our excuses will expose us for who we are and will suddenly become feeble, and our mouths will be shut when we stand before God’s throne. Our own words will condemn us. The scripture warns us instead of refusing to listen, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;font-size:clamp(14px, 0.875rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.078), 15px);">     Be not like a horse or a mule, without understanding, 
          which must be curbed with bit and bridle, 
          or it will not stay near you. 
            (Psalm 32:9, ESV) 
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Instead, hear and listen to the call and come,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take of the water of life without price. (Revelation 22:17</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28–30, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You might still say, &#8220;But why does God not reveal himself like he did to the Israelites in the desert? Surely, if he did this, I would believe&#8221;. We will deal with this in later posts.</p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This article is part of a series that begins <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/things-that-go-bump-in-the-night/">here</a>. An outline can be found <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/hidden-god-in-an-evil-world-outline/">here</a>.</em></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The story of hiddenness</strong></h3>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Questions often have presumptions</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We all have heard that “there is no such thing as a bad question.” Though in an important sense this is true, this phrase is not about the questions themselves, but about the dangers of refraining from inquiry. If we have questions, we ought to ask them because if we are silent, we cannot learn. For even if one has a bad question, knowledge cannot be had if questions are not asked. But as we grow in wisdom, we understand that though we ought to continue to ask questions, our questions are often indicators of our presumptions on a subject. This is because our questions often come with baggage. We see the situation from our perspective, and it takes a lot of work to step outside that perspective. Often, our presumptions are wrong.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We see this clearly in our relationships for many of us know what it is to hurt someone by asking a question that implied certain assumptions about the person, only to find out that we were way off base. We end up finding ourselves profusely apologizing for our ungrounded and incompetent question. Often, in these cases, we do this because we don’t have the full picture or context, or story. Though it is still better to ask a question in this situation than to hold on to false ideas about a person, we are aware that are question was one based on ignorance rather than truth. This humility is important if we desire to pursue truth.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We must be willing to scrutinize and discern both the answers as well as our questions. For we also understand that sometimes questions, if not scrutinized, can be used to limit our ability to learn. Lawyers, for example, use this fact to their advantage to get the outcome they desire. When we are more interested in winning an argument than the truth, questions can become a dangerous tool for closing our minds and blinding us to the evidence. If, when confronted with the presumptions of our questions, we insist that our presumptions are true, then we will never learn. In our relationships, we will only be building walls that separate us from knowing those around us. And in our pursuit of knowledge, we will only end up falling into a pit of our own foolishness.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Asking bad questions can lead us down the wrong path. Sometimes, when we can’t get the puzzle to come together, it is because we are so determined to get a square peg into the circular hole. But often, when we step back and see things from a proper perspective, the puzzle easily falls into place. This is often what happens when people struggle with the hiddenness of God. They bring their baggage to the story, filtering it and distorting it to match their preconceived ideas instead of pausing and listening and letting the story speak for itself.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>A God who pursues unashamedly</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One of the presumptions we make is that if knowing God is what it takes to be saved from our sin and the wrath of God, then all God would have to do is make himself clearly known with some show of extraordinary evidence. We might argue,</p>



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<p style="font-size:px" class="wp-block-paragraph">If this were the case, and this is all it would take, it is clear from the Bible that God would not hesitate for a second to make this happen. Our loving Father would not only be willing but also eager to run to our rescue. The Bible gives us imagery of his desire to bring us to himself and shelter us under his wings and to envelope us in the Father’s embrace as we are lavished by his kisses. Indeed, his love and longing for us is deeper than the father of the prodigal son in Luke 15.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The parables of Luke 15 show a God who is desperately and actively seeking the lost. In the parables of the lost sheep, coin, and son, we find someone who will face the dangers of the open country and one who leaves no stone or pillow unturned as they sweep the house and seek diligently till what was lost is found. We see this theme as well in Proverbs 1,</p>



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	in the markets she raises her voice; 
     at the head of the noisy streets she cries out; 
	at the entrance of the city gates she speaks: 
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">God is not aloof but is active in his pursuit of the lost. These parables describe God’s joy over just one sheep, one coin, one prodigal son . . . “one sinner who repents”. If this is his pursuit and passion for one sinner, what can we say of his pursuit of all humanity?</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Pursuit of the two sons</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But there is more, for in these parables, we also see with what abandonment God pursues us, particularly in the parable of the two sons. In that culture, when a son asked for his inheritance while his father was alive, it was the same as the son saying, “Father, you are dead to me.” And this was indeed true, for he forgot his father and went off to a faraway country, abandoning both his father and home. This son had spat in his father’s face, heaping insult upon his father. He then squanders his father’s hard work, making his father’s years of labor amount to nothing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Despite what his son had done to him, we see the father, having seen his son from afar off, girding up his loins, exposing his bare legs, and running toward his son. And when he reaches his son, he embraces him with kisses. In that culture, a father running and exposing his legs would have been a shameful and disgraceful act. And his running was not a private act. Because the father had to run quite a distance, his shame was probably seen by many and possibly the village as well. But we can feel the joy he had, despising the shame, so he could embrace his beloved son.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some have speculated that the father ran so urgently because the son being far off might have also been noticed by those in the village before he had a chance to reach his father. Those in the village would have been well aware of who he was and the shame he had brought on his father. If this was the case, the father would have worried that those in the village might intercept his son and having intercepted his son, brought him before the village in a ceremony known as Kezazah and pronounced official judgment on him for the shame he had brought to his father and the village, a judgment that would have cut off the son from the community and declared him to be dead from that point on. The father, in urgent haste to prevent this, was willing to be seen with bare legs running for all to see to reach his son. Regardless, the emphasis of the parable is that the father ran because he loved and longed for his son in the deepest parts of who he was. Though his son had already shamed him and spit in his face, he was more than willing to take upon himself even more shame and public humiliation if that is what it meant to have his son back. In this act, he declares his son alive, not dead, for all to see. In his act of shame, he takes away the reproach of his son, giving his son the honor he does not deserve. And instead of a Kezazah, the whole village rejoices and celebrates with the father that his son is alive.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We ought not think that God is not above shaming himself to receive us back into his arms. God took upon himself the ultimate shame to win us back.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (Philippians 2:5–8, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:2)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— (Galatians 3:13)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Corinthians 5:21)</p>
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<p class="is-style-plain wp-block-paragraph">If God is not above shaming himself, he is not above showing up, making himself bare and fully evident, and saying, “hi”. This realization ought to make us pause . . . and think about our questions. Do we understand what we are asking? Do we know the whole picture? Could we be wrong in our assumptions? Maybe there is more to the story. . .. Maybe there is more to the heart of God and his love for us . . .. He cries out to us, “How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!” (Matthew 23:37).</p>
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<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>If there were another way</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, let us look at a pinnacle moment in the life of Jesus that gets to the heart of the question of whether there was another way. In the Garden of Gethsemane, in anguish and wrestling to the point of sweating blood, Jesus “prayed, saying, ‘My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.’” Do not read this too quickly. . .. Jesus, while teaching during his ministry, is clear that the Father always listens to him. Jesus is asking, “if it is possible”. This was not a shallow request on the part of Jesus, this was a request coming from deep in the bowels and the heart and soul of Jesus. And this was not the request of a passerby, this was a request of a much beloved son. The Father deeply loves the Son. His son was in deep agony and was sweating blood. We who are evil would not hesitate to heed the call of our child in this situation. Make no mistake, neither would the Father. Jesus said, “Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?” If it were possible, if there were even some remote prospect of another way to redeem humanity, his father would not have hesitated to answer this request from his son.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Maybe there is more to the story</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so, once again, these things ought to make us stop, pause, and look at the presumptions of our questions. What baggage or assumptions are we bringing? Is it not human nature to think we understand the story or situation well, even when we don’t? Yet, we often don’t know as much as we think we do. And as we often bring poor questions in our relationships with others due to our misunderstandings, perhaps we are doing the same with God. And because we do this in everyday life, this should not surprise us. Despite this, the scripture invites us to ask these questions. The scripture does not ignore them. But we must also be willing to cast off our presumptions and have ears to listen. When we listen, we will find that when it comes to the hiddenness of God, there is more to the story . . ..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Things go bump in the night</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As a child, you may have woken up in the middle of the night with darkness all around you, and as the shadows creep into your imagination, you cry out in fear. . . . </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Soon, you are held by loving arms that comfort you with their voice. But what if those comforting arms and voice never came. . . .</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>How can this be?</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Many have wrestled with the idea of the “hiddenness” of God. This struggle is more than just an intellectual proposition. It bores its way deeply into our hearts and our understanding of love. If God is perfectly loving, why does he not make himself clearly known? Has he left us in the dark? No loving parent would leave their child in the dark. If God is loving, why does he not make his presence clearly and definitively known? If you love someone and want them to come to you, you don’t hide yourself. How crazy is that? More importantly, if we must know God in order to be saved, and not knowing him means experiencing his wrath, why does God hide himself? And if God is all-powerful, why does he not just make it happen? If he wanted to make himself known all he would have to do is just show up and say, “Hi” or make himself known clearly in some other way. Wouldn&#8217;t it be solved if He could just make himself known to everyone on earth? We would all believe. And everything would be great. Problem solved.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But more importantly, many struggle with the fact that they feel like God, if he exists has not revealed himself personally to them. The evidence against God’s existence is so overwhelming, they do not know how to tenably hold on to the idea of a God. Many also feel that despite seeking answers from God, they haven’t received any. They feel like if God does exist, then it is his fault that they don’t believe in him. After all, if God is loving and all-powerful, he ought to be able to make himself known with clarity to me. And what about the rest of humanity? We cannot know God unless he reveals himself, so he is the one responsible for making himself known, not us. Many who have asked this question find it difficult to see how God, if he exists, is loving, just, fair, or good. For if knowing him is so vital and necessary for our salvation, then why would he hide? We ought to wrestle with questions like these and not run away or hide from them. I have had sleepless nights struggling with questions like this. And it is in this wrestling between my own questions and the two-edged sword of the word that has grown and refined my faith as I come to see the beauty and wonder of the face of God more clearly. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We will find that there is more to the story and that God indeed does come wrapping his arms around us, but there are those who reject his love because they have come to love the shadows. And in loving the shadows, they have become the things that go bump in the night. When the father comes, he destroys the shadows and the things that go bump in the night to comfort his children. And so, having become the things that go bump in the night, they shrink back and hide from the father.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before we discuss the hiddenness of God, I first want you to put a picture in your mind of Jesus weeping. Why is he weeping?</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! (Luke 13:34)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.” (Luke 19:41-44)</p>
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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[This article is part of a series that begins here. An outline can be found here. Atheists often ask for Christians to provide evidence for God. It is a fair request, because despite their slurs, Christianity is not based on blind faith. But in order to look at the evidence, we must first look at both what [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Atheists often ask for Christians to provide evidence for God. It is a fair request, because despite their slurs, Christianity is not based on blind faith. But in order to look at the evidence, we must first look at both what evidence is and discuss what kind of evidence for God we ought to expect. For it is clear that we have two different approaches when it comes to what is counted as evidence for God. And so if we are not going to talk past each other, it is important to understand what the differences are. Understanding this will help us understand each other’s arguments and communicate more effectively. We must also come to understand how our epistemologies and framework affect our perspectives on this subject and what biases come from those approaches. And we must also examine these approaches and ascertain which approach better deals with the evidence and come to grips with what kind of evidence we can expect.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>One popular saying of the atheist community is, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” This statement seems to sum up the epistemology of many atheists on how they believe they can know whether there is a god or not. In other words, they are often looking for indisputable proof of God’s existence or at least evidence that would fall within same confidence level of science. Gravity for example is unseen, but measurable, observable, repeatable, and follows predictable formulas so despite not seeing it, we know it exists. Also, because the presence of God is not something that we experience in our everyday lives or in the lives of those around us, it would take more for one to believe in God’s existence. For example, we don’t tend to believe that unicorns exist because in our experience and in the experience of those around us, they don’t. Because of this for me to believe there is a unicorn, you would have to provide extraordinary evidence. And on the surface, this makes sense. Why believe in something unless you have demonstratable proof of its existence?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>This approach, however, relies on underlying unproven assumptions. For example, this approach assumes the type of evidence that will be found and then rejects any evidence that does not fit within these preconceived parameters. This creates a self-confirming bias. If it is not extraordinary or indisputable evidence, we can toss it out and not dwell on it. “Come talk with me when you have discovered something indisputable”. In this way, a plethora of evidence can be ignored.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>Here is the deal. For one science doesn’t work that way and if God exists, we should not be quick to assume what those parameters are or what type of evidence we should find. Even with as much as we do know, we barely understand the universe and what we understand today did not come about by telling the universe what its parameters of evidence ought to be and then reject any data that does not fit within those parameters. By no means, for we know this kind of thinking to be foolish. How much more when studying something much more complex than the universe, must we be careful not to be blinded by our assumptions by placing artificial parameters on what that evidence might be. Instead, we observe and collect data as it is and come up with theories that best explain what that data is. But instead of using a scientific method atheist have told God how he must reveal himself and what kind of data and evidence must present to prove his existence. That is ridiculous. How are we to know? For a group that claims to love science, they are quick to throw out the scientific method on this question. If you only accept extraordinary evidence, then you have become blind to other forms of evidence. Evidence doesn’t have to be extraordinary or indisputable to be evidence. If God exists, we cannot presume the means or the type of evidence by which he might reveal himself. We must also keep in mind scientific evidence is not the only kind of evidence. And the scientific method is not the only means by which we come to know things. Not everything is testable. When we study history for example, we can’t do experiments. But this does not mean we can’t take a rigorous scholarly approach when we are approaching this subject. I believe the Bible demands it, I am not to just accept things on so called, “blind faith”.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>One of those assumptions atheists have is the Schellenberg argument. It assumes that if perfectly-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God exists, that he would reveal himself in an extraordinary way or by whatever means necessary to provide irrevocable proof of his existence. And since we don’t find this proof, therefore atheists conclude that God does not exist. In other words, this approach assumes that there will be a specific kind of evidence for God, that everyone can look to and undeniably know that there is a God. I have shown elswhere that the Schellenberg argument is not tenable and that there is another possibility, one in which God would not reveal himself in this way. Since this approach relies on the Schellenberg argument, this approach like the Schellenberg argument is flawed. Because of this we cannot assume that God will reveal himself through extraordinary means. That would be entering an unproven bias into our query. It is possible that God has chosen to reveal himself by very ordinary means. After all, if pride is the ultimate sin, would it not make sense for God to reveal himself through humble means and in a way that is loving both toward those who come to love him and to those who are his enemies. We have to ask ourselves, by what scientific method have the atheists determined that extraordinary evidence is needed to prove the existence of God? It is not the purview of science to approach a subject with the baggage of assumptions. Although at times, it is not without warrant to provide a predictive model of what you believe you might expect, so you can test it. It however is not scientific or scholarly to hold on to that model staunchly in the presence of evidence that shows that that model is indefensible. The statement, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is indefensible and therefore should be thrown out. Evidence doesn’t have to be grand or extraordinary to be reasonable.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>Another problem with this approach is that it is very subjective. What kind of evidence is considered extraordinary? After all, if unicorns or magic were everywhere, we would find them ordinary, instead of extraordinary. It is not so much extraordinary evidence that we need, but reasonable evidence. If you have a subjective standard by which you look at the evidence, since we are creatures that are really good at confirmation bias and conforming the evidence to fit our preconceived standard, we will not believe. We know this and both sides are not immune to this. But one thing that is clear the statement, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is faulty at best. But the atheists would argue, God would know what kind of evidence it would take for me to believe. After all, how can I know God exists if he does not provide sufficient proof for me to believe. Well, many atheists have made it clear that not even this would be enough for them to believe. Because their standard for evidence is subjective, and there is no definable means to deal with the evidence that is there, it is easy when presented with evidence to just shrug it off and say, “Well, that still is not sufficient evidence for me to believe.” This is a standard based on emotion rather than objective reasoning. Here is the thing, when we presume a perspective of God that is subjective, limiting, and narrow, we cease to analyze the data as a scientist, and we close our minds to the possibilities outside our restricted parameters. We no longer really listen and hear the evidence that is out there, because it doesn’t meet the artificial criteria we have made. This kind approach only works if the assumption is that God would reveal himself by extraordinary means. But since we cannot rely on the Schellenberg argument and we cannot assume that God will reveal himself in extraordinary means, we must look to another approach when addressing the question of whether there is a God or not.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>The most problematic assumption of this approach is that it assumes that God’s main goal in revealing himself is for us to believe in his existence and therefore God ought to use the most efficient and effective means to make his existence known to as many people as possible. I have argued that this is not the case. God is not trying to get people to believe in his existence, but instead is using the most effective means to call people who are at enmity with him to himself and bring them into a loving covenant relationship. These are two very separate and distinct objectives that require different means to accomplish. Extraordinary evidence is not the most effective means for this to occur, therefore we should not assume that it would be the means by which God would reveal himself. A scientific approach does not assume foundational premises without evidence. The irony is that though atheists demand scientific evidence, they do not rely on evidence for their foundational premises, nor do they feel the need to provide such evidence. Why do they believe the Schellenberg argument is true? Who knows? Atheists have become irrational demanding God to speak only in the way they have chosen, but when he speaks using humility and speaks in a different Way, instead of listening, they get angry at him for not speaking in the way they have chosen. This is not science, nor is this how any relationship works. These kinds of arguments are not founded on rational thinking.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>Again, it really doesn’t matter if you believe the Bible or not, these approaches are not an effective means for determining whether or not there is a God because it relies on unproven assumptions. If you have a premise, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”, you have to prove that God must reveal himself this way. You have provided no proof of this. Therefore, there is no scientific, philosophical, or scholarly reason why we ought to limit God to this criterion. Why could he not reveal himself in the ordinary and with humble means? Because the premise “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” falls apart when examined with scrutiny, and God could very well reveal himself in the ordinary, we need to look to some other means to answer these questions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><br>Thankfully, this is not the only approach when dealing with the evidence that there is a God or not. We can use another approach that fits more in line with the scientific and scholarly approach, one that is not full of baggage and unproven assumptions. Even though, we cannot assume that a perfectly-loving, all-knowing, all-powerful God would not hide himself, we can assume that he would reveal himself in some way. However, even though we can assume that he would reveal himself, we cannot assume by what means he would do so. If having an understanding of the universe is beyond our grasp, how much more the creator of the universe, if he exists. We should be careful about bringing our assumptions into this question. We don’t know that God would provide extraordinary evidence for his existence. And I have shown that this approach would be harmful. This being the case, we should not expect there to be extraordinary evidence. So instead of assuming the criterion for how God must reveal himself, we ought to ask the question is there any reasonable evidence that God has revealed himself. Instead of trying to push the data into our preconceived ideas as is done by the atheist, we can allow the data to speak for itself and form our theory based on the data instead of vice versa. When we do this, we can test these theories against the data to see if those theories hold up. After all this is the more scientific approach because it does not assume the nature God or how he might reveal itself, but instead attempts to objectively look at the data we have for or against the existence of God. This is a far more scientific approach than stating this is the only type of data I will accept. And, as we look at the data, we can ask if there any reasonable evidence that would point towards the existence of God. Again, we are not asking if there is any definitive evidence for the existence of God, for that kind approach has been shown to be invalid, since we cannot assume that there will be definitive evidence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And there is reasonable evidence for God, for example, the fine-tuning argument. Though this argument is not direct proof, the concept of God would be reasonable to explain this, because even if we have an absolute scientific explanation for the creation of the universe and how it has evolved, this fact does not go away. We should not be surprised that the universe is ordered by science. And even if we have an explanation for this occurring scientifically, that explanation would contribute to the argument rather than detracting from it. And the more we explore science the more this seems to be the case. Just like unicorns and magic can become mundane, we should not lose our wonder and awe. We are stuck with this, and so the argument is not whether fine-tuning exists, but whether it points to God or not. And though this evidence alone cannot prove the existence of God, it is data that is one piece of the puzzle. And it is reasonable especially given the many other evidences to see this as possible evidence for God. And some would say not only is this reasonable evidence but extraordinary evidence. And here is the thing . . . it doesn’t stand alone. This is only one piece of evidence. There are many other arguments and evidence that reasonably point to God. Here is my point, you may not believe in God, you may throw the evidence out because it does not fit your criterion, but you cannot say it is unreasonable for me to believe in God, when there is a plethora of such evidence that support my belief. Nor is it reasonable to claim that there is no evidence for God. No, I may not have the evidence you want, but I don’t think the evidence you want is reasonable, scientific, or scholarly. The fault is with your criterion, not the evidence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And here we come to another factor in looking at the evidence. Do we determine how God must reveal himself? Or does he determine how he reveals himself? Is it possible if there is a God that he would choose to reveal himself through writings. Yes, it is possible. We cannot just arbitrarily rule this out. And there is a lot of evidence that point to the trustworthiness of the Bible, enough to say that it is reasonable to trust it. And here we come to another aspect that we must address in order to evaluate evidence for God or any religion. As with all that we understand with science we are asking what a reasonable explanation for the evidence is, we have and asking is there any reasonable evidence to nullify the explanation we currently have for the evidence. So, not only do we need to ask, “Is it reasonable?” but we also have to ask, “Is there any reasonable arguments against the validity of the evidence or the proposed explanation for the evidence?”. And this is something atheists have failed to do. For example, you claim that there are thousands of contradictions in the Bible and yet I have not found one atheist that can back up the claim for even one. So, I have a position where I can provide evidence that is reasonable with no valid opposition showing it is wrong. If you want to take a more scientific approach, then this is pretty good evidence. And if that is so then it is a theory that must be on the table. You cannot take it off, till you have evidence to support taking it off. There is a difference between you not believing or disagreeing with a proposition, then you proving it to be false. One is emotional, the other is scientific or academic. I understand that this is not the kind of evidence you want and that you might say that in the absence of extraordinary evidence it is reasonable for me to not believe in God. But I have given evidence to show that this is not a reasonable position, which ought to force you to deal with the evidence that is there instead of ignoring it and quickly tossing it away because it doesn’t fit your agenda. Why should you base your view of the world on logical fallacies and faulty scholarship? You might say, “Ok, well let’s take your proposition and data, which is what I have a problem with. I have thousands of reasons to believe that the proposition of the Christian faith is unreasonable”. Ok, you are doing a little better because if you can show that the Bible or Christian faith is unreasonable by the approach I am proposing, you are right. But this has not been done. We must keep in mind that the Bible is probably the most scrutinized writing ever. The Christian religion is probably the most scrutinized religion. The fact that there are reasonable and objective answers based on solid scholarship to the challenges brought against it is evidence that it is a trustworthy document. And the fact that the charges against the Bible and Christianity rely on a false understanding of the Bible or Christianity says a lot about the atheist arguments. It does not impress me when atheists only fight against an imaginary foe. If you say you have a strong position, then stop being afraid and stand up and fight against the real thing and bring real arguments to the table instead of fluff. If all atheists can do is fight and imaginary foe, I think the Christian faith wins hands down. When atheists do this, they are ironically providing evidence for the Christian faith. You don’t fight an imaginary foe if you can fight the real thing. And I am willing to back this up. Give me the evidence for what you feel like is your strongest claim against Christianity and let’s talk about it. I know you might feel like because you studied to be a pastor you are attacking Christianity, but in our dialogues so far you haven’t, you have only attacked something imaginary. Sadly, I have found this to be true of other former Christians turned atheists as well. I would encourage you to reevaluate your arguments in light of this and work to have more solid arguments. Again, I am willing to back this up, you have not touched the Christian faith with your arguments.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Summary of the two approaches</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Approach 1</em>:</p>



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<li class="">A criterion is set up beforehand determining what kind of data will be evaluated as evidence. Evidence not fitting this criterion is thrown out.</li>



<li class="">Criterion: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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<li class="">Basically, you start with a prediction, without observation, then create an unproven criterion for collecting data. And then only collect data that fits within that prediction, and then come to the conclusion based on that selected data.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li class="">Faults:<ul><li>It assumes that extraordinary evidence is necessary.</li></ul><ul><li>Extraordinary evidence is a subjective and biased criteria.</li></ul><ul><li>It assumes that the Schellenberg argument is a proven fact.</li></ul><ul><li>It assumes that the main purpose of God revealing himself is to make his existence known.</li></ul>
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<li class="">None of the assumptions required for this approach are proven facts.</li>
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</li>



<li class="">Conclusion: Because the foundation of this approach requires unproven assumptions it is not a scientific approach.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Approach 1</em>:</p>



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<li class="">Since we cannot definitively say how God might reveal himself, instead of setting up a criterion beforehand of what evidence is acceptable and what is not, look at the data first, evaluate the data and test it. Analyze it both based on whether or not it is reasonable based on the data but also evaluate whether or not there are any reasonable arguments against the proposition.
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<li class="">Basically, you observe, question, hypothesis, test, scrutinize, and analyze, then make conclusions.</li>
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</li>



<li class="">Faults: As with all of science, this will not necessarily give you definitive proof. It will, however, allow you to provide support for the reasonableness of a proposition. Basically, this is the scientific method, and it has the weaknesses of the scientific method.</li>



<li class="">Strengths:<ul><li>It follows the scientific method more closely than Approach 1.</li></ul>
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<li class="">If the Schellenberg argument is not certain, then Approach 2 would be best.</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li class="">Conclusion: Approach 2 will produce results that are more consistent with the data and evidence. Approach 1 relies on confirmation bias and unproven assumptions.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Videos</strong>:</p>



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<li class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOSuFkqrWsc" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence? (interview with Dr. Tim McGrew) &#8211; YouTube</a>&nbsp; (This is a more technical argument of why the statement “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” fails when used in the way it is often used.)</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/live/tJOgY3nrGX4?feature=share&amp;t=6455" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">There is evidence</a></li>
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