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					<description><![CDATA[In Alex O’Connor’s interview with Cliffe and Stuart Knechtie (Why Does God&#8217;s Forgiveness End at Death? &#8211; The Knechtles &#8211; YouTube), he asks why God’s forgiveness ends at death. Alex elaborates inquiring if a person were on the brink of believing, but died only moments before, why would that person be condemned to hell? Cliffe [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In Alex O’Connor’s interview with Cliffe and Stuart Knechtie (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA75dTd1dtw">Why Does God&#8217;s Forgiveness End at Death? &#8211; The Knechtles &#8211; YouTube</a>), he asks why God’s forgiveness ends at death. Alex elaborates inquiring if a person were on the brink of believing, but died only moments before, why would that person be condemned to hell? Cliffe and Stuart say that this person would not be condemned, because God would show grace, but failed to give a clear explanation for why this would be the case. But there is also an issue in the way Alex framed the question. In my article, <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a>, I show that sometimes we can ask the wrong question. And this is what Alex O’Connor is doing here. He is asking a question that is outside the context of the Christian faith. The Christian faith does not teach that if someone dies before they would have believed, they would be condemned. A more appropriate question would be,  “Does God fully give everyone every opportunity to come to him before he condemns them?”. To this, I would say yes. No one is condemned without every effort being exhausted. No one who is condemned would have or will choose to escape their fate no matter what efforts are made to get them to change their mind, whether in the past, present, or future.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God does not lose any who would come have to him</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">While some of the specifics about our judgment day remain a mystery, there are some things we can be assured of. One of those things is that God will not lose any who would come to Jesus. God&#8217;s judgment is not arbitrary but instead is based on wisdom and certainty. And so we can be certain that there is no scenario where God knows given a certain circumstance, a person would have believed, but he condemns them anyway. Paul affirms this when he writes,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. (Romans 8:28–30, ESV)</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God knows every scenario we might encounter and how we would respond</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The scripture assures us that as we stand before God&#8217;s throne, we will be “naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13, ESV). This should bring us comfort, knowing that if there is a circumstance where we would believe, he knows it. The scripture is clear God prefers mercy to judgment and seeks to provide a way for us to come to him. He who knows all things is able to sustain anyone who would come to him given another circumstance other than the one they lived. Because of God&#8217;s love, we need not fear missing his grace due to a fleeting moment or dying right before we would have believed or even the circumstances of our life. We can have confidence that no one who would have come to God under different circumstances will be cast out. God knows the heart of all of us, understands all our circumstances, and will judge faithfully in righteousness and equity. No one will be able to bring charges against God and accuse him of being unloving or unfair. But because God takes all circumstances and scenarios into account when he judges, his judgment once rendered, is final. The door is shut.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Steadfast love and faithfulness go before the throne of judgment</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The scripture tells us of God that “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; steadfast love and faithfulness go before you” (Psalm 89:14, ESV). God’s judgments are neither malicious nor arbitrary; they are rooted in righteousness and justice and on this strong foundation steadfast love and faithfulness go before him as he judges. Pause on this: in ALL God’s judgments even condemnation, steadfast love and faithfulness go before his verdict. This means that before any judgment is made, one must encounter and get through the flood of His steadfast love and faithfulness. On the day of judgment, those who are condemned will know that their condemnation was preceded by God&#8217;s steadfast and exhaustive pursuit. Their mouths will be shut knowing that their fate is all their own. They have rejected the love that has gone before them. The Gospel which comes first offered them reconciliation, but instead &#8220;They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved&#8221; (2 Thessalonians 2:10b, NIV).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is why their condemnation is so sure: They have been given every opportunity to leave the kingdom of darkness and come into the light, but because they love the darkness more than the light they have chosen darkness.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Who are those who are condemned</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">God does not condemn the innocent. But of course, none of us are innocent. So let us rephrase this. God does not condemn those who come to him in repentance and faith. I am not aware of anywhere in scripture that says this is only a temporal truth that stops. However, the scripture does warn that our hearts can become so hardened that we will choose to never repent regardless of how much God pursues us. Gehenna is described as a place of “gnashing of teeth”, a term symbolizing hostility and anger. And this hostility is directed at God. Those who reject Jesus do so because they love their deeds more than the desire to come to God. God opposes the kingdoms they have made (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">more here</a>). Those who are condemned are described as those who chose to persist in their wickedness, despite being offered hope through repentance and faith in the work and worth of Jesus. Here are some scriptures that describe this:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. (2 Thessalonians 2:10, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the pride of his face the wicked does not seek him; all his thoughts are, “There is no God.” (Psalm 10:4, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If favor is shown to the wicked, he does not learn righteousness; in the land of uprightness he deals corruptly and does not see the majesty of the LORD. (Isaiah 26:10, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">She listens to no voice; she accepts no correction. She does not trust in the LORD; she does not draw near to her God. (Zephaniah 3:2, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear. They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the LORD of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore great anger came from the LORD of hosts. (Zechariah 7:11-12, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. (Jeremiah 7:24, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">O LORD, do not your eyes look for truth? You have struck them down, but they felt no anguish; you have consumed them, but they refused to take correction. They have made their faces harder than rock; they have refused to repent. (Jeremiah 5:3, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For they are a rebellious people, lying children, children unwilling to hear the instruction of the LORD; (Isaiah 30:9, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The pride of Israel testifies to his face; yet they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him, for all this. (Hosea 7:10, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And those who are in Gehenna remain there because they continue to love darkness and continue to refuse to turn to the light.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Daniel is told, “Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand” (Daniel 12:10, BSB)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.” (Revelation 22:11, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No one who is condemned desires to repent and come to God. If you continue to reject God, the only source of love, beauty, and goodness, what do you have left? Many of us have suffered the agony of lost or unrequited love. How much more is the agony of those who have rejected the very source of love and are hostile to it. The weight of their own rejection of goodness, beauty, and love is unimaginable. It is hell.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In Jesus’s discussion with Nicodemus, he confirms these things, when he states, “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God” (John 3:18, ESV). But this in of itself does not tell us the full story, for we already know that belief in Jesus is what distinguishes those who are saved from those who are condemned. But who is preventing those who are condemned from believing? Is it life events, circumstances, or others? None of these external factors keep the condemned from God. Instead, as our hearts stand naked before God, it is our hearts that condemn us. Jesus goes on to say that it is our own stubbornness that keeps us from the love of God.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jesus describes those who are found guilty before the throne of God, “And this is the verdict: Light has come into the world but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.” (John 3:19, NIV). Why are people condemned? It is because they love the darkness so much that they refuse to come to the light. There are no circumstances under which those who are in Gehenna would have or will turn to God. For them to do so would be to go against everything they love and treasure as good. They do not want God to be near because he is a threat to all they hold dear (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">more here</a>).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though they are at enmity with and reject God, those who are condemned will long for the goodness that those in the light have and so there will be “weeping” at this loss alongside their “gnashing of teeth” as there was with Esau. But this weeping is not accompanied by repentance or turning to God. Paul warns us, &#8220;Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death&#8221; (2 Corinthians 7:10, NIV). They will long for the light, but not at the price of relinquishing the darkness they cherish so dearly. They are so ensnared and enslaved by their own desires that their love for the &#8220;drug” surpasses their desire to be healed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And so the scriptures teach that it is those who both continue to walk in unrighteousness and refuse to come to God that are condemned. Those who repent and come to God are freely welcomed into the love of God. God does not keep those in Gehenna from repenting and coming to him, they are stuck there by the chains they have forged for themselves. We can have confidence that those in Gehenna would not have repented under any circumstances. Part of what makes Gehena so devastating is this: those who go there do not abandon their wickedness, but continually choose to separate themselves from God. They continue to choose to walk in wickedness continuing to incur further wrath. Gehena is not for the hypothetical person in Alex O&#8217;Conner&#8217;s imaginary scenario who if only given a few more moments would have believed, but died just before that. Gehena is for those who stubbornly and eternally continue in disbelief.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is why the scripture urges us not to harden our hearts, for it is not death that will seal our condemnation, but rather a hardened and unrepentant heart. And this state can come long before we die, leaving us without hope both in this age and the age to come. This is why the scripture says, &#8220;Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts&#8221; (Psalm 95:7-8, Hebrews 3:7-8,15; 4:7). The scripture warns that we should not assume that we will one day in the future change and have a repentant heart. Today is our opportunity. Again it is not death that finalizes our state, but a hard and unrepentant heart of unbelief. This can happen now at this moment, before death, so do not linger to come to God when you hear the call of the Gospel.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God exhausts his pursuit</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Earlier, I mentioned that Alex O&#8217;Conner did not ask an appropriate question. The reason is that there will never be anyone in Gehenna who would have repented under other circumstances. However one might ask if the steadfast love and faithfulness that go before God&#8217;s throne is exhaustive. Has God done everything possible to bring this person to repentance? The scripture would support an affirmative answer. God&#8217;s readiness to forgive is an inherent part of God&#8217;s nature. When God&#8217;s glory came near to Moses, “The LORD passed before him and proclaimed, ‘The LORD, the LORD, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness” (Exodus 34:6). God was declaring this is who he is. Peter writes, “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” Other verses support this as well.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Therefore the LORD waits to be gracious to you, and therefore he exalts himself to show mercy to you. For the LORD is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him. (Isaiah 30:18, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. (Luke 15:7, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” (Luke 15:10, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love. He will again have compassion on us; He will vanquish our iniquities. You will cast out all our sins into the depths of the sea. (Micah 7:18-19, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">the LORD appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. (Jeremiah 31:3, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. (Psalm 103:8, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! (Matthew 23:37; Luke 13:34, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge? If you turn at my reproof, behold, I will pour out my spirit to you; I will make my words known to you. Because I have called and you refused to listen, have stretched out my hand and no one has heeded, because you have ignored all my counsel and would have none of my reproof, (Proverbs 1:22-25, ESV)</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God is eager to embrace the rebel</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Not only is God slow to anger and patient, but he is also ready and eager to forgive the rebellious.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? (Ezekiel 18:21-23, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Yet even now,” declares the LORD, “return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning; and rend your hearts and not your garments.” Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love; and he relents over disaster. (Joel 2:12-13, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Son of man, give the people of Israel this message: You are saying, ‘Our sins are heavy upon us; we are wasting away! How can we survive?’ Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel? (Ezekiel 33:10-11, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. (Isaiah 55:6-8,ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. (Isaiah 1:18, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To the Lord our God belong mercy and forgiveness, for we have rebelled against him. (Daniel 9:9, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:4, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They refused to obey and did not remember the miracles you had done for them. Instead, they became stubborn and appointed a leader to take them back to their slavery in Egypt. But you are a God of forgiveness, gracious and merciful, slow to become angry, and rich in unfailing love. You did not abandon them, (Nehemiah 9:17, ESV)</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Our death does not change God&#8217;s character</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is foolish for us to think that something like our death would change the nature of God. Death does not separate us from God. Not even our sin and rebellion alone separate us from God. It is a hard, unrepentant heart who refuses to come to God under any circumstances that ultimately seals the fate of those in Gehenna.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yet the LORD warned Israel and Judah by every prophet and every seer, saying, “Turn from your evil ways and keep my commandments and my statutes, in accordance with all the Law that I commanded your fathers, and that I sent to you by my servants the prophets.” But they would not listen, but were stubborn, as their fathers had been, who did not believe in the LORD their God. (2 Kings 17:13-14, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Yet the LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD rose against His people, until there was no remedy. (1 Chronicles 36:15-16,ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">O LORD, do not your eyes look for truth? You have struck them down, but they felt no anguish; you have consumed them, but they refused to take correction. They have made their faces harder than rock; they have refused to repent. (Jeremiah 5:3, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You have neither listened nor inclined your ears to hear, although the LORD persistently sent to you all his servants the prophets, saying, ‘Turn now, every one of you, from his evil way and evil deeds, and dwell upon the land that the LORD has given to you and your fathers from of old and forever. Do not go after other gods to serve and worship them, or provoke me to anger with the work of your hands. Then I will do you no harm.’ Yet you have not listened to me, declares the LORD, that you might provoke me to anger with the work of your hands to your own harm. (Jeremiah 25:4-7, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.” (Romans 10:21, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’” (Luke 16:31, ESV)</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>What about Sodom?</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In Matthew 11:24, Jesus states, &#8220;And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day&#8221; (ESV). Does this mean that people who are in hell would have repented if they were given a different circumstance? No, this verse is not about the individual, but about a city and a temporal situation not about the age to come. Even though this Sodom would have responded to the works of Jesus, this does not mean that individual hearts would have changed or that it would be more than an outward change. In the Gospels many times scripture refers to those who believed outwardly in Jesus but did not have saving faith. We see this with Ahab who is described in these words, &#8220;(There was none who sold himself to do what was evil in the sight of the LORD like Ahab, whom Jezebel his wife incited. He acted very abominably in going after idols, as the Amorites had done, whom the LORD cast out before the people of Israel.)&#8221; 1 Kings 21:25-26, ESV). But after Elijah spoke and warned Ahab of God&#8217;s wrath, &#8220;when Ahab heard those words, he tore his clothes and put sackcloth on his flesh and fasted and lay in sackcloth and went about dejectedly. And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, “Have you seen how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself before me, I will not bring the disaster in his days; but in his son’s days I will bring the disaster upon his house” (1 Kings 21:27–29, ESV). Despite Ahab&#8217;s superficial repentance, God readily relented putting Ahab to death, demonstrating his eagerness to show grace even to one of the worst kings of Israel. Sadly, it does not appear that Ahab responded to this act of grace. Jesus words about Sodom shows the eagerness God has to show kindness despite our hardened hearts. God extends love even to his enemies who reject him. To this kind of heart Paul aptly writes, &#8220;Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because you are stubborn and refuse to turn from your sin, you are storing up terrible punishment for yourself. For a day of anger is coming when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed&#8221; (Romans 2:4-5, ESV).</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>But not everyone has the same knowledge of who God is</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But you might say, “But not everyone has the same revelation”. And I would agree this is the case. However, this does not mean that God does not exhaustively pursue us or take all this into account as he judges us. Those with less knowledge will not be held to the same accountability of someone who has extensive knowledge of God. They will be judged based on their obedience to the knowledge of God they have been given. Paul states, &#8220;The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent&#8221; (Acts 17:30, ESV). God knows our hearts and he will judge us by what we do know, not by what we do not know. But he has made himself known to us all, and so we are without excuse if we are not obedient to the revelation we do have. It is also clear that God is found by all who seek him with sincerity and that God is quick to bring us to himself. Paul in his address, &#8220;standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“&nbsp;‘In him we live and move and have our being’;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">as even some of your own poets have said,</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“&nbsp;‘For we are indeed his offspring.’</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” (Acts 17:22–31, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Also consider this: God is loving even toward his enemies. He will not vindictively pile on judgment. For those who have already hardened their heart, more revelation would only bring more judgment. In the Gospels, there are occasions when it is clear that the hearts of those around Jesus were hard and he simply walks away, refusing to give himself to them. In some cases, this is the most loving thing for God to do. God in his wisdom knows how to give enough revelation so that those who are condemned are left without excuse, but then backing away when that revelation would only cause more condemnation. No one will stand before God and be judged by what they do not know. And no one who is condemned will accuse God of not pursuing them exhaustively. Their mouths will be shut and no accusation will be brought before God because they will acknowledge that his judgments are just and fair.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">before the LORD, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with equity. (Psalm 98:9)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">before the LORD, for he comes, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness, and the peoples in his faithfulness. (Psalm 96:13, ESV)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">then a throne will be established in steadfast love, and on it will sit in faithfulness in the tent of David one who judges and seeks justice and is swift to do righteousness.” (Isaiah 16:5, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">God is patient and slow to anger, never quick to condemn. Those who face condemnation have first had to come through the flood of the unwavering steadfast love and faithfulness of God that go before his throne and precede his judgment. The only ones in Gehenna are those who have rejected God&#8217;s love.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>A word of warning about bad questions</strong></h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the case above, Alex O&#8217;Conner posed a poorly framed question. Sadly, this is common among &#8220;atheist apologists&#8221;. It is easy to be skeptical and to phrase questions in a way that gives the appearance of wisdom on the surface, but upon closer examination only reveals our foolishness. I wrote more on this <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here</a>. But my word of caution is this: If you find yourself asking these kinds of questions, take a moment to examine your heart. Persisting on asking foolish questions, even though there are good answers out there, suggests a deeper issue. Contrary to what some atheists will try to make you believe, there are good answers out there for these questions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As Christians when dealing with these kinds of foolish questions, we must be aware we cannot know the hearts of those asking them. Those asking these questions may be sincere and we should to be patient with them. But we also should encourage them to examine their motives behind the questions as well, while addressing any genuine inquiries with gentleness and respect.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">FURTHER SCRIPTURE READING: Luke 14:12-35 &amp; 15</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The journey of trying to understand eschatology, the final destiny of mankind and the consummation of the Kingdom of God, can feel overwhelming. There are so many ideas out there competing for your attention. And if that was not difficult enough, eschatology is often couched in the most mysterious of writings – apocalyptic literature. For me, it has been a mix of feelings of intrigue and trepidation. There is the challenge of trying to figure out this captivating, intensely beautiful and mysterious puzzle. The intrigue can draw me into a labyrinth of rabbit holes as I try to peg everything down to a clear and concise explanation that helps to bring all the elements into focus. But as soon as I feel like I have figured it out, trepidation stalks me, it is as if I am trying to hold a beach ball under the water while sitting on it calmly. I don’t have as much of a hold on it as I would like to think. As with the rest of the scripture, the roaring lion of apocalyptic writings cannot be tamed. Yet wherever you are in your studies on eschatology there is hope. As I have wrestled with the different ideas, something much more profound has come out of my study of eschatology as I have come to behold the Lion of the tribe of Judah and come to know that I am held tight by his covenantal love. First and foremost, we must come to understand whatever will happen in the end times comes out of this strong and steady and sure covenantal love. It is in this that our hearts find a sure foundation and bulwark, which makes a raging storm feel calm. And as we look to Jesus, we can step out into the raging sea our steps finding sure footing, for though we fail, he holds us.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The Word and the Spirit conquers</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Regardless of the myriads of eschatological positions and arguments that are out there, there are things we can know with certainty. We can know that his covenant love for his people will not fail. We can know that Christ is our conquering King, and he will put all his enemies under his feet. We also know that whether spiritually or corporally the means by which Jesus conquers his enemies is by the Word of God.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is <strong>The Word of God</strong>. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (ESV) (Revelation 19:11-16, ESV, bold added)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this passage whether symbolic or not, it is only the Word of God that conquers and destroys the enemies of God, although we are brought alongside Jesus as he accomplishes this. The sword in Revelation and in other scriptures are associated with the words of Jesus.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong><em>The Word of God conquers through the Gospel</em></strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Jesus spoke of the end times, he said, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come” (Matthew 24:14, ESV). When speaking with Pilate,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.” (John 18:36–37, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And how did Jesus say this Kingdom would conquer. On his ascension, Jesus spoke to those around him and said,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&nbsp;“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18–20, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Paul in Romans 10, states that it is through the proclamation of the Gospel, that the word of Christ is heard, “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ” (vs 7). What Paul is saying here is not that they are hearing us speak the Gospel, but they are hearing Christ, himself, as we proclaim the Gospel. As we proclaim the Gospel the sword of the Lord goes out to conquer his enemies, and thankfully the hearts of those who have come to trust in Jesus and call upon the name of the LORD. It is through the proclamation of the Gospel that the Kingdom of God conquers the kingdoms of this world and Jesus puts his enemies under his feet.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The first proclamation of the church</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though we might find apprehension in speaking about apocalyptic scriptures, this was not the case with Peter. Peter understood the power of the Gospel both to save and put its enemies under its feet. And so, as he stepped out and preach the first message of the church. he knew the world would not be the same. And because of this, he begins his sermon by quoting of all things apocalyptic scriptures. Is it not interesting, with all the hubbub and confusion we have over these writings today, that the first words spoken in proclamation by the church were apocalyptic scriptures? And they were spoken with surety.</p>



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<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1"> and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and your young men shall see visions,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and your old men shall dream dreams;</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1"> even on my male servants and female servants</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in those days I will pour out my Spirit,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">and they shall prophesy.</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">And I will show wonders in the heavens above</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and signs on the earth below,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the sun shall be turned to darkness</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and the moon to blood,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; before the day of the Lord comes,</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">the great and magnificent day.</p>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1">And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’</p>



<p class="has-text-align-right wp-block-paragraph" style="line-height:1"> (Acts 2:17–21, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Peter was bold, announcing that these scriptures were being fulfilled in the midst of them both in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus and in the proclamation of the Gospel by the power of the Holy Spirit, who had been poured out on them in the wind and fire. For it had been so from after the fall when the sound of the LORD came in the spirit of the day, that it is through the power of the Word of God and the Spirit of the Lord that God both reveals himself and invades this world to conquer it. Peter understood, that as the Gospel is spoken to the world, just as the fire consumed the enemies of God in Revelation 20, the fire of the Holy Spirit conquers our own hearts and as the Gospel is preached the world is turned upside down.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Total Destruction of God’s enemies</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When an army came in devastating force to utterly destroy a city, they would raise it and set it on fire. The dense smoke would fill the air billowing as a scroll being rolled up. As it spread the dense darkness would come over the land darkening the sun, the darkness being penetrated by falling ash with the appearance of falling stars. In the filter of this smoke the moon would appear blood red. This imagery made an indelible mark on the culture of the Biblical world. When the Bible uses this imagery within eschatology, it is speaking whether literally or symbolically of the total destruction of the kingdom of this world. The Gospel has not come to play nice with the kingdom of this world. The Gospel seeks out the utter destruction of the kingdom of this world. Peter in his proclamation of the Gospel was declaring no quarter no hope for those who continued to reject the message and hold on to the kingdom of this world. Paul does the same,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But thanks be to God, who in Christ always leads us in triumphal procession, and through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere. For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing, to one a fragrance from death to death, to the other a fragrance from life to life. Who is sufficient for these things? For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God’s word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:14–17, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Gospel message both brings forth the Kingdom of God in the hearts of those who hear and obey the Gospel, but also tramples under the feet of Jesus those who refuse to hear the gracious call and insist on holding to their own kingdom.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Enemies under His feet</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In a letter to Hiram king of Tyre, Solomon describes the transition of the kingdom of Israel from David to Solomon and the building of the house for the name of the LORD.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“You know that David my father could not build a house for the name of the LORD his God because of the warfare with which his enemies surrounded him, until the LORD put them under the soles of his feet. But now the LORD my God has given me rest on every side. There is neither adversary nor misfortune. And so I intend to build a house for the name of the LORD my God, as the LORD said to David my father, ‘Your son, whom I will set on your throne in your place, shall build the house for my name.’ (1 Kings 5:3–5, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Paul gives a similar description of Jesus,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[22] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. [24] Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. [25] For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [27] For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. [28] When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15:22–28, ESV, see also Hebrews 2:5–18)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before the consummation of the Kingdom of God, Jesus who sits on the throne of David as our human representative (<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-covenant-of-peace-the-melchizedek-levitical-priesthood/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">see more on this here</a>) must put all his enemies under his feet. But also, as Peter says the purpose is also to bring the people of God into the Kingdom for “the Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (2 Peter 3:9, ESV). Isaiah echoes this sentiment, “Therefore the LORD waits to be gracious to you, and therefore he exalts himself to show mercy to you. For the LORD is a God of justice; blessed are all those who wait for him.”</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Two kingdoms</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">              When Jesus told to Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world,” he was making clear that we are currently in a time of two worlds or two kingdoms and that the Kingdom of God would conquer as Christ speaks and bears witness to the truth. We spoke of how Paul in Romans 10 talks about how when we proclaim the Gospel it is Christ himself speaking. Luke confirms this. He starts of in Acts saying, “In my first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach . . . (Acts 1:1, ESV). In other words, the works of Christ are still active in our world both in Acts and in our world today.  When Peter stood before the crowd during the first proclamation of the church, he predicated all that he said on this fact, “The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool” (Acts 2:34, ESV) This comes from Psalm 110:1 which is the most quoted Old Testament verse in the New Testament. Peter and the apostles had a boldness to proclaim the Gospel because they understood that Jesus sat on the right hand of God on the throne of David as the rightful king of God’s people. Christ is ruling over his Kingdom here and now and is turning the kingdom of this world upside down through the proclamation of the Gospel. So yes, we live in a world where there are two kingdoms that are at war with each other. God is both building his Kingdom and calling a people to himself and treading underfoot the kingdom of this world through the Word of God. And despite appearances at times, the war is not one sided, Jesus is both bringing people to himself through his word and through his word putting his enemies under his feet. Jesus only suffers his enemies long enough to bring us into his Kingdom.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>What is the practical application?</strong></h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There was a bible study on the end times, and when I heard of one approach they were going to take, I asked the person leading if it in if I could come in one of the days and present the alternative view and he agreed. As I was preparing for this study, God humbled me and completely changed my plans. He pointed me to those who were faithful when Jesus came to earth the first time as a baby and contrasted them with the leaders at this time. When the magi were brought before Herod, Herod “was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him; and assembling all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. They told him, ‘In Bethlehem of Judea, for so it is written by the prophet: “’And you, O Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who will shepherd my people Israel’”’” (Matthew 2:3-5). The chief priests and scribes understood what scripture had to say on this topic and got it right! They understood the prophesy but missed the coming of their Messiah all the same. But there were two, who did not miss his coming, an old man named Simeon, and an old woman named Anna, who were described as faithful and waiting for the redemption and consolation of God’s people.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Jesus spoke of the end times, he didn’t ask his disciples to have it all figured out, he called them to be faithful, to stand, to watch, to pray, and proclaim the gospel. In doing this we are the good and faithful servant, with whom Jesus will not be ashamed to call his own. Knowing the exact details of the end times will not get you closer to the Kingdom of God. Being a faithful servant with the treasure of the Gospel will. We must remember that the power of the Kingdom of God comes from the Word of God alone and the Word of God enters our world and the world around us through the proclamation of the Gospel. So, if we want to know what to do in this interim of two ages before the consummation, it is to be faithful to this and enter the work that Jesus is doing now in this world as our rightful king. And so, as we wait for Jesus’ coming, come close to Jesus, behold him, and walk with Jesus as he speaks to the world (for he is with us to the end of the age) through the proclamation of the Gospel.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&nbsp;“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18–20, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Our king has told us what to do till the end of the age, so we don&#8217;t have to wonder. And more than that he has promised to be with us.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Does this mean we can’t talk about eschatology? As controversial as it is, it is when we can talk about our differences amiably that the love of Christ is shown. If we only talked as a church with those who agree with us, well even the pagans can do that. As we love each other in hardy disagreements the love of Christ is demonstrated to the world. But it is the solid commitment to the understanding that the Word of God alone conquers in the Gospel that can give us this stability to love one another, for this grand story is so bold and bright that all the different ideas on eschatology pale in comparison.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is in our testimony that we conquer the devil, “And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death” (Revelation 12:11, ESV).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Finally, I will leave you with this, . . . in the Word of God, we will not be shaken. We are a part of a grand story of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[18] For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest [19] and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. [20] For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” [21] Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.” [22] But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, [23] and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, [24] and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">[25] See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven. [26] At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” [27] This phrase, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of things that are shaken—that is, things that have been made—in order that the things that cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, [29] for our God is a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:18–29, ESV)</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[On judgment day, those who are not in Jesus will be condemned according to their deeds into eternal punishment away from the Kingdom of God. And in that day, the mouths of those being condemned will be shut; they will be unable to speak. This silence, this inability to speak will not come from being [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On judgment day, those who are not in Jesus will be condemned according to their deeds into eternal punishment away from the Kingdom of God. And in that day, the mouths of those being condemned will be shut; they will be unable to speak. This silence, this inability to speak will not come from being choked by the overwhelming power of God and his presence. No one will accuse God of using his power to oppress them and keep them from defending themselves. No instead, this silence will come from the overwhelming understanding that God’s judgment and his words are true, fair, and righteous. We will freely and without coercion silence ourselves. Those condemned will not speak, because there will be nothing to say. They will not be able to place any accusation against God or deny that any of his words have fallen short of the truth. We must be careful if we think we will be able to defend ourselves before God or have an accusation to bring against him. You may think you have a strong case, but in his presence your foolishness will be exposed for what it is and be so evident and so clearly true that you will have nothing to say.</p>
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		<title>The day before the throne</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is part of a series that begins here. An outline can be found here. The death of Shemei Solomon looked at the man standing before his throne and proclaimed, “You know in your own heart all the harm that you did to David my father. So, the LORD will bring back your harm [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>The death of Shemei</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Solomon looked at the man standing before his throne and proclaimed, “You know in your own heart all the harm that you did to David my father. So, the LORD will bring back your harm on your own head. But King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the LORD forever” (1 Kings 2:44-45, ESV). After the king spoke these words, Benaiah the son of Jehoiada drew his sword and struck him down. . . Shimei was dead.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Three years earlier, before he died, Shimei had stood before Solomon and Solomon had warned him, “on the day you go out and cross the brook Kidron, know for certain that you shall die” (1 Kings 2:37, ESV). Shimei replied, “What you say is good; as my lord the king has said, so will your servant do” (38). But Shimei did not take these words to heart, for before being brought before Solomon’s throne to be sentenced, he had crossed the Kidron to retrieve two of his servants who had fled to Gath. And just as Solomon had promised, the moment he stepped across the Kidron, that very day, his death was certain.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>“The day”</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This event is reminiscent of God’s command to Adam, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Genesis 2:16–17, ESV). Both Solomon and God gave the edict “for in the day”. But neither Shimei nor Adam were put to death on the exact same day they violated the command. Did God fail to keep his promise that “in the day” Adam ate of the tree he would “surely die”?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After Shimei stepped on the other side of the Kidron, he traveled to Gath, obtained his servants, and returned home. The average day’s journey for a donkey is 15-20 miles, but possibly 30 (donkeyonfarm.com). The trip to Gath and back would have been around 50-60 miles there and back. Shimei would also have had to take the time to retrieve his servants. Therefore, it is improbable that Shimei left Jerusalem, found his servants in Gath, returned to Jerusalem, and was summoned by Solomon on the same day. On the day Shimei crossed the Kidron his death was certain, but his death did not occur until he was brought before the throne room and saw Solomon face to face, and judgment was pronounced.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Sound and Wind</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After Adam sinned and God comes to meet with Adam we find an interesting phrase, “And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the [wind] of the day” (Genesis 3:8, [added]). Notice it doesn’t say the LORD God walked, but instead “the <strong>sound</strong> of the Lord God” and this walking was in “the <strong>wind</strong> of the day”. In the rest of the Bible, we have similar language. It is the word of the LORD that met with Abraham in Genesis 15 and spoke through the prophets. We also see a similar description at the end of Job when the LORD comes to speak. And when God comes, he comes cloaked in clouds. We see a vivid picture of this when God comes to Mount Sinai: “there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the LORD had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly. And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder” (Exodus 19:16–19, ESV). It is no surprise that Adam and Eve, on hearing God come into the garden of Eden after they had broken God’s command, shrunk back and hid themselves from the presence of the LORD among the trees of the garden, just as the Israelites trembled at Sinai.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Man shall not see God&#8217;s face and live</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though this image of God coming into the Garden and meeting with the Israelites at Mount Sinai is powerful, it is a picture of a God who has hidden himself, who has hidden his face. When Moses asked to see God’s glory, he was told, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.’” (Exodus 33:19–20, ESV). Remember, Shimei’s death did not occur till he stood before the throne and saw Solomon face to face. Coming before the throne and seeing the king face to face meant judgment, and the penalty had already been proclaimed – death. When God came to meet Adam in the Garden, he hid his face and promptly escorted Adam and Eve out of Eden, and the sword, instead of putting Adam and Eve to death, prevented them from entering the throne room of God. Just as Shimei’s death was certain when he passed over the Kidron, so Adam’s death was certain, but unlike Shimei, Adam’s day before the throne was postponed.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In that crucial point in history, if Adam and Eve had stood before the throne of God and saw God’s face that very day, their judgment would have been proclaimed, and they would have died. If God had not hidden himself and driven Adam and Eve out, humanity would have ended there. You and I would not exist.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>An all-knowing, all-powerful, perfectly-loving God will hide himself</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The question is often asked why would an all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly-loving God hide himself from us, if he wants us to know him. Why does he not reveal himself clearly? The simple answer is because he is all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly loving, he has in love chosen to hide himself so that he can postpone the day of our judgment. He does this so that during this postponement, he can rescue and bring a people to himself. We are in the period between when Shemei placed one foot across the Kidron and before he came before the throne of Solomon. Make no mistake, just as Shemei’s death was certain the moment he passed the Kidron, so our death is certain, and that “day” will come . . .</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11–15, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. (2 Peter 3:8–10, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And this is our hope . . . On this day, the day of the great white throne judgement evil will finally be destroyed, and no longer cause harm and on that day the final enemy will be destroyed, death itself. And yet, because God hid himself, not all of humanity will be destroyed. He made a way through his son, Jesus, the son of David.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On that day, the throne of the son of David will prosper and be established forever, and the people of the son of David will stand victorious. For God has made another day called “Today”. On this day, called “Today”, Jesus, the final Adam, in his humanity stood before the throne of God. On the cross, he bore the wrath of God in our place. The punishment that should have fallen on us fell on him. As our great high priest took upon himself the wrath of God and died in our place. But Jesus did not stay in the grave and could not be held in Sheol; he conquered death and the gates of Hades in his resurrection. The bondage of death can no longer hold us. When we call upon the name of the Lord and put our trust in the work and worth of Jesus alone, we have our day before the throne of God, but just as the ark and the Passover lamb protected them from the wrath of God, we are bound to Christ, and God’s presence instead of destroying us purifies us and makes us whole. We are not like Adam and Eve or the Israelites who shrunk back and hid themselves in God’s presence, but instead, we “with confidence draw near to the throne of grace” (Hebrews 4:16). We stand before the throne, and the King declares us righteous. For those of the Kingdom of David, “No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads” (Revelation 22: 3-4, ESV).</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>God owned the idea of hiddenness before the atheists</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Throughout the Bible, God is seen as being surrounded or cloaked in clouds or veiled. The idea of a hidden God does not come first from atheists questioning God; it comes from the story of the Gospel and is an important concept in understanding this redemption story. An old lady once said to King David, “We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast” (2 Samuel 14:14). And this is the purpose in God hiding himself &#8211; because God so loved this world, he made a Way and had a plan to bring us back to himself, so that one day we might stand before his throne, in his presence and see his face. For those who are in Christ, when we stand before God, his judgment passes over us while we remain unscathed, for our judgment is dealt with on the cross and is conquered in Jesus’s resurrection. So, the atheist may ask the question, “Why is God hidden?” but it is only because God is hidden that they can even ask the question. The only reason you and I are alive and able to read this is because a perfectly loving God hid himself, postponing our judgment day.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Come!</strong></h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The LORD has called out to you and I to “Come!”. Be assured of this, though our judgment and fate our certain, if we do not heed the call of the Gospel. Do not fool yourself by thinking you will be able to say to God, “a perfectly-loving God would not hide himself, therefore I ought not be judged”. This call has gone out to the whole world. His call has gone out to you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;font-size:clamp(14px, 0.875rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.078), 15px);">          But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for 
     “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, 
          and their words to the ends of the world.” 
          (Romans 10:17–18, ESV) 
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We may believe that we can be children and claim we just didn’t hear God, and feel like we can make excuses, but our excuses will expose us for who we are and will suddenly become feeble, and our mouths will be shut when we stand before God’s throne. Our own words will condemn us. The scripture warns us instead of refusing to listen, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”</p>



<pre class="wp-block-verse has-background" style="background-color:#ffffff00;font-size:clamp(14px, 0.875rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.078), 15px);">     Be not like a horse or a mule, without understanding, 
          which must be curbed with bit and bridle, 
          or it will not stay near you. 
            (Psalm 32:9, ESV) 
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Instead, hear and listen to the call and come,</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take of the water of life without price. (Revelation 22:17</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28–30, ESV)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You might still say, &#8220;But why does God not reveal himself like he did to the Israelites in the desert? Surely, if he did this, I would believe&#8221;. We will deal with this in later posts.</p>



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<h5 class="wp-block-heading" style="font-size:clamp(15.197px, 0.95rem + ((1vw - 3.2px) * 0.61), 23px);">Posts in the series <em>The Hidden God in an Evil World</em>:</h5>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 1. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/?p=3036">Bump in the night</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 2. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-father-did-not-despise-the-shame/">The Father does not despise the shame</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 3. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-day-before-the-throne/">The day before the throne</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">4. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/god-hides-so-he-is-approachable/">Hides to be approachable</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 5. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/our-belief-in-god-would-destroy-us/">Our belief in God would destroy us</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 6. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/how-dare-you-show-up-god">How dare you show up, God!</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 7. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-sound-of-the-lord/">The Sound</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">8. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/the-wind/">The Wind</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">9. <a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/trying-to-get-a-square-peg-into-a-round-hole/">Trying to get a square peg into a round hole</a></p>



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<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph"> 10. Belief is not enough</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">11. What is &#8220;knowing&#8221;?</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">12. We must be born again</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">13. The Covenant</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">14. God reveals himself</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">15. The Word</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">16. Love for his enemies</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">17. Black and White</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">18. Wondering in the desert</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">19. We are not as good . . .</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">20. Sin brings hell</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">21.<a href="https://mybelovedismine.org/futile-suffering-in-this-world/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Futile suffering</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">22. What is the source of Evil</p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">23. <a href="Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Objection: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence</a></p>



<p style="padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--60)" class="wp-block-paragraph">24. Objection: Using the Bible is a circular argument</p>



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